Gibson guitar under seige (crimes, constitutional, world, officials)
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
Indian rosewood can be exported legally from India if it's 6mm thick or less. The rosewood Gibson ordered was falsely labelled as veneer when it was in fact 10mm thick boards not veneer and illegal to export from India.
The last raid on them was over ebony from an severely threatened type of ebony tree in Madagascar which was blatantly illegal to have cut and imported.
Gibson is greedy and flagrantly breaking laws intended to protect species that are threatened with extinction if the illegal logging is not stopped.
And you know all of this how? Were you in on the raid or are you just listening to what the WH propaganda ministry is putting out. The CEO of Gibson says you're wrong.
The bill actually amends the Lacy Act of 1981, and also incorporates the CITES Treaty under Section 8204 "Prevention of Illegal Logging Practices" in the bill you cited.
The amendments to the Lacy Act of 1981 also appear on pages 369 through page 372. I can certainly see why the bill was vetoed. This goes well beyond the CITES Treaty by attempting to enforce not international law, but the laws of foreign nations.
It is ludicris to assume the federal government has the authority to enforce any foreign law. Where there is an agreement between the US and those nations with export bans, the CITES Treaty include the laws the US should be enforcing, only those treaties that have been ratified, and no others. US law enforcement should be enforcing US law, exclusively. Which includes ratified treaties.
To expect anyone to abide by every law on the planet - local, federal, and foreign is beyond insane. It is deliberately stupid.
They are being prosecuted under the Lacey Act, a U.S. law. If we didn't have something like the Lacey Act we couldn't prevent threatened and endangered species from being wiped out. You can be prosecuted under the Lacey Act for any illegal taking of a species, whether it was illegally taken in a state or territory or abroad, when it involves interstate commerce.
And you know all of this how? Were you in on the raid or are you just listening to what the WH propaganda ministry is putting out. The CEO of Gibson says you're wrong.
Federal Agent’s Raid Gibson Guitar Corp, Looking for Illegal Wood ( Article) (http://www.factoverfiction.com/article/3225 - broken link)
The CEO is Gibson is not very credible at this point.
This is all BS contrived by the Administration. Why didn't they raid Fender or Martin? They use the EXACT same wood. You did notice the term "alleged" in every article. This is a witch hunt by this administration to punish their enemies.
They are being prosecuted under the Lacey Act, a U.S. law. If we didn't have something like the Lacey Act we couldn't prevent threatened and endangered species from being wiped out. You can be prosecuted under the Lacey Act for any illegal taking of a species, whether it was illegally taken in a state or territory or abroad, when it involves interstate commerce.
You obviously did not read the amendments to the Lacy Act that I posted. It states, on numerous occassions, "any foreign law." Congress does not have the constitutional authority to enact laws that require the enforcement of every law on the planet. Their jurisdiction, and the jurisdiction of the US Constitution, is limited to the borders of the US, not the entire globe.
If you want the US to enforce a foreign law, create a treaty and get the Senate to give their "consent and advice" then get the President to ratify the treaty. Those are the only foreign laws that are enforcable within the jurisdiction of the US. That was the purpose for the CITES Treaty of 1974. Once ratified, the CITES Treaty became US law.
The Lacy Act, as amended in H.R. 2419, is blatantly unconstitutional and should be abolished.
This is all BS contrived by the Administration. Why didn't they raid Fender or Martin? They use the EXACT same wood. You did notice the term "alleged" in every article. This is a witch hunt by this administration to punish their enemies.
It's not the type of wood, it's the source. Ebony and rosewood are legal to use if the source is legal. Gibson's sources are illegal. They know this and have tried to hide it by falsely labelling the wood. The administration didn't contrive this info., do some searching and verify the laws yourself. The type of ebony they imported from Madagascar is illegal to export from there, period. madagascar allows no exports of raw ebony lumber. There's not a permit that allows it as their CEO claims to have. The thickness law with India is easily verified. Gibson's internal emails revealed lawbreaking.
You obviously did not read the amendments to the Lacy Act that I posted. It states, on numerous occassions, "any foreign law." Congress does not have the constitutional authority to enact laws that require the enforcement of every law on the planet. Their jurisdiction, and the jurisdiction of the US Constitution, is limited to the borders of the US, not the entire globe.
If you want the US to enforce a foreign law, create a treaty and get the Senate to give their "consent and advice" then get the President to ratify the treaty. Those are the only foreign laws that are enforcable within the jurisdiction of the US. That was the purpose for the CITES Treaty of 1974. Once ratified, the CITES Treaty became US law.
The Lacy Act, as amended in H.R. 2419, is blatantly unconstitutional and should be abolished.
It's perfectly constitutional for Congress to regulate imports and forbid importing something taken illegally in the country of origin. And this is a necessary law. Protection of endangered species is a lot more important than Gibson's profits.
It's not the type of wood, it's the source. Ebony and rosewood are legal to use if the source is legal. Gibson's sources are illegal. They know this and have tried to hide it by falsely labelling the wood. The administration didn't contrive this info., do some searching and verify the laws yourself. The type of ebony they imported from Madagascar is illegal to export from there, period. madagascar allows no exports of raw ebony lumber. There's not a permit that allows it as their CEO claims to have. The thickness law with India is easily verified. Gibson's internal emails revealed lawbreaking.
Yeah ok, so it's NOT illegal if the fretboards are made over there???? How does THAT make any sense at all? The wood is still being taken. Something stinks like a witch hunt here.
Actually, they aren't being prosecuted, just bullied into moving their jobs overseas.
Sounds to me like they are as soon as the investigation is complete.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
