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How does anyone believe the HI with anything they say about Obama...
How does anyone believe the Hawaii with anything they say about Obama...
Highcotton, how come you've never told us your theory about what you think actually happened? See my posts above for questions I would like you to answer. Since you seem to disbelieve everything that "the Hawaii" says, what do you actually believe happened then?
If you ask for a quarter from somebody, and you're given a quarter that has one of the states on the tails side as done from 1999-2007, do you say "That's not a real quarter! I want to see a real one, with the eagle on the back!" A quarter's a quarter; a birth certificate is a birth certificate, and there's no legal difference between the two.
Quit the spin. That is not Obama's original birth
certificate. It is simply a document that states
another document "the original" with specifics,
is on file and it exists.
If I showed you a roll of quarters, with
a stamp on the package from the bank stating
"10 Dollars". You can assume there are 10 dollars
of quarters in the roll, but you won't know for
sure, until you remove them, and count them.
Obama simply does not want to show his "original".
Quit the spin. That is not Obama's original birth
certificate. It is simply a document that states
another document "the original" with specifics,
is on file and it exists.
If I showed you a roll of quarters, with
a stamp on the package from the bank stating
"10 Dollars". You can assume there are 10 dollars
of quarters in the roll, but you won't know for
sure, until you remove them, and count them.
Obama simply does not want to show his "original".
A legal certified document valid for obtaining a US passport, in court, or for any reason to provide proof of birth in the US. It holds more legal weight than any photocopy of an original birth certificate, which would not get someone a passport, or serve any other legal purpose. That person would be required to obtain exactly what Obama has posted for legal purposes, A legal certified copy of their birth certificate. Why do birthers always ignore that fact?
Most young adults in the 1960's-1970's were concerned
about a birth certificate, if they worked.
That is your belief.
NOthing to suppor this. My mother is slightly older than Obama and she didn't need to worry about her BC when she worked at the Dole Cannery Honoulu. She simply applied for a job and got it. Didn't even have to show a birth certificate to do so (her BC is from before Hawaii became a state).
Unfortunately, YOU are thinking that what applies today, applied to what it was like in the 60's and 70's.
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You are treating
Obama, as if he was a baby, and went to his mother for
everything, after the age of 16.
No I'm not. I'm offering the best possible answers than some twisted conspiracy that was set in motion on the day of his birth.
He did not have possession of his BC. It was amongst his mother's items.
If he used it, that was 40 years ago. In 40 years things can get lost. He apparently didn't need it for anything other than getting his SSN issued (and even that we dont know if he did use that COLB he found or simply got another copy from the state)
I surely didn't need my BC except for two times in my life. Once I got my passport, the BC wasn't necessary anymore. Most of my job applications placed Passport in the Primary evidence section and if you dont have a passport, you had to offer 2 of Secondary evidence (which includes Birth Certificates, Marriage certificates, Military ID, Health Insurance Card, School transcripts, Gun permit, etc etc)
And no less than 3 times, I or someone else lost my COLB.
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I'm not interested in a COLB of a person born in another
country.
but you're the one citing a statute that wasn't passed until 1982. So even IF Obama was born in another country, he wouldn't receive a Hawaii based COLB. He simply would have to live with the Birth Certificate issued by the country that provided it.
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You didn't have to send in your BC when you
renewed your passport, because they already have it on
file.
I already said this. Obama was included on Stanley Ann Dunham Obama's passport records because he was a child, it was known as Family Passports (SSA policies have since changed). It's amongst her passport records which were released last year. Lolo Soetoro's Passport records show this as well.
Since he already had a passport under his mother, he and she only needed to renew it every time it was up for expiration. That means even as an adult, he no longer need to provide his Birth Certificate because HIS mother already provided that information to the State Department when he was 5 years old.
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So, they would have Obama's as well. That practice
of giving certificates of live birth to those not born in hospitals in HI, by affidavit, was going on long before 1982.
Yes the Department of Health's directors as well as the Republican Governor, the New Director, the Democratic Governor and several officials have stated that Obama's Birth record is there and it shows that he was born in Hawaii.
If Obama wants to see his original record, he can go down to the office to view if he wants. That's all he can do.
Tim Adams is a liar. He did not have access to the "records" he claims to have access to. I'll rely on the statements of his boss than a temporary worker who wasn't EVEN THERE at the time that they would place candidates on the primary ballot.
"Our office does not have access to birth records," Takahashi said. "That's handled by the state of Hawaii Department of Health. Where he's getting that, I don't know. Put it this way: Barack Obama was not trying to register to vote in Hawaii. He is, as far as I know, not a registered voter here. So no one was looking that up."
Takahashi explained that the "senior elections clerk" job that Adams held was a low-level data entry position dealing with voter registration and absentee ballots -- Adams was one of dozens of temporary employees who staffed the pre-election rush. And he contradicted Adams's claims that Obama's lack of a birth certificate was an "open secret" or that voters contacted the office to ask about it.
"To be honest, I fielded no questions about that," Takahashi said. "Why would anyone ask us? We don't have those records."
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I feel exactly as Lou Dobbs feels on this issue:
"I personally believe Barack Obama is a citizen of the United States"
A legal certified document valid for obtaining a US passport, in court, or for any reason to provide proof of birth in the US. It holds more legal weight than any photocopy of an original birth certificate, which would not get someone a passport, or serve any other legal purpose. That person would be required to obtain exactly what Obama has posted for legal purposes, A legal certified copy of their birth certificate. Why do birthers always ignore that fact?
It's not legal, if it's a forgery.
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Back in early June of 2008, Atlas broke the birth certificate story and showed for the first time that the certification of live birth that Obama released was indeed a "horrible forgery." This was demonstrated by a digital forensic examination specialist, an active member of the Association of Certified Fraud Examiners, American College of Forensic Examiners, The International Society of Forensic Computer Examiners, International Information Systems Forensics Association -- the list goes on. He also a board certified as a forensic computer examiner, a certificated legal investigator, and a licensed private investigator. He submitted his findings to Atlas. He has been performing computer-based forensic investigations since 1993 (although back then it did not even have a formal name yet), and he has performed countless investigations since then.
We welcomed peer review. No one would touch the story. I said then, as I say now. I have no idea what is on the long form, but it is mighty pecuiar that a President would not release it. I mean, really. Every other president has released every document, school record, passport, military record, school transcript ad infinitum.
Obama has released nothing.
Here's McCain's original certificate of birth by the way.
Maybe Gibbs needs to be reminded of what one
actually looks like:
Actually McCain never released his Birth Certificate, and what you have posted isn't his. HE SHOWED it to a reporter, but that reporter could not make a copy or request a copy.
Wow, a blog article that is based on an anonymous "forensic researcher" named "techdude" - a person who says he's all this and that, but provides NO REAL name to check those credentials.
That's like me saying I'm a freaking brain surgeon and I could give advice about how to perform brain surgery over the net.
Birthers = use anonymous experts, anonymous bloggers, anonymous claims, racists, criminals and hair brained lawyers to support their claims
Reality - official documents, secondary evidence as newspaper announcements, the birth index for 1961, passport records, divorce records, and the physical inspection of the COLB in person at Obama's campaign offices.
We have the statements of government officials, and his actual Birth CErtificate that prove that its a real COLB, verified by actual REPORTERS who went to inspeact it
Please provide evidence that these anonymous researchers actually went to Obama's campaign offices to inspect the COLB in person.
Actually McCain never released his Birth Certificate, and what you have posted isn't his. HE SHOWED it to a reporter, but that reporter could not make a copy or request a copy.
you are using a forged document as evidence.
You don't know that is a forged document, nor would
I. Simple fact, McCain's father was in the military - they
had documentation of his birth. McCain Jr. was in the
military - they had documentation of his birth.
McCain isn't the issue here, except to say, it was
stupid to even question whether he was eligible
to run for President.
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