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View Poll Results: Would you like to see same-sex marriage become legal where you live?
It is already legal where I live 18 6.02%
Yes 184 61.54%
No 92 30.77%
Not sure 5 1.67%
Voters: 299. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 08-15-2010, 05:49 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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To often religion breeds intolarance bigotry narrowmindedness and fearmongering espcialy amongst the relidous right.
simple solution......get rid of all marriages, and civil unions from the government stand point

why should you need permission (a licence) to be with the one you love

get rid of all the so called 'marriage' benefits

do that and you wont have the division, you wont have people saying allow or dont allow

get the government out of peoples personal business
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Old 08-15-2010, 06:07 AM
 
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simple solution......get rid of all marriages, and civil unions from the government stand point

why should you need permission (a licence) to be with the one you love

get rid of all the so called 'marriage' benefits

do that and you wont have the division, you wont have people saying allow or dont allow

get the government out of peoples personal business
You don't - cohabitation is legal in the United States.
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Old 08-15-2010, 06:16 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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You don't - cohabitation is legal in the United States.
exactly

so why should anyone, (not matter what type(s) of partener(s)) 'need' a licence, why do we even still have that archaic practice

if you got rid of the unfairness of a 'marriage benefit', then people would be FREE to do what they want...but instead, people seem to want the slavery of getting a benefit because the government grants you permisiion to say you are married

get rid of the government in marriages/civil unions, and get rid of the unfair practice of giving 'marriages' a financial benefit

it comes down to GREED
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Old 08-15-2010, 06:36 AM
 
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exactly

so why should anyone, (not matter what type(s) of partener(s)) 'need' a licence, why do we even still have that archaic practice

if you got rid of the unfairness of a 'marriage benefit', then people would be FREE to do what they want...but instead, people seem to want the slavery of getting a benefit because the government grants you permisiion to say you are married

get rid of the government in marriages/civil unions, and get rid of the unfair practice of giving 'marriages' a financial benefit

it comes down to GREED
Nonsense.

It's not greed behind the automatic inheritance of a spouse's property - it's a recognition that the contract that is a marriage reflects a partnership, a joint endeavor in building a life and the things that go with it. It's not greed behind the right to make medical decisions for an incapacitated spouse - it's once again a recognition of the contract between two people and the powers bestowed upon them as a result. So instead of getting a marriage license for $110 (in Minnesota, where I live) my wife and I would have to consult an attorney and pay a fee far exceeding that in order to obtain these rights? And heaven forbid the attorney doesn't apply due diligence, because such contracts - unlike marriages - are often contested in courts, and successfully. Just ask gay couples who are basically forced to get them in those jurisdictions (ie, most the United States) where same-sex marriages are not available.

Again, greed?

You call it greed when a spouse receives the death benefits because the person she married was killed in service to ones country? Greed, you call it, the definition of joint property that exists in a marriage?

Right, right. It's just 'greed'...
Rights and responsibilities of marriages in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Don't want to get married? Fine, don't. But don't expect the right to be abolished because you don't like it.
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Old 08-15-2010, 07:52 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Nonsense.

It's not greed......Don't want to get married? Fine, don't. But don't expect the right to be abolished because you don't like it.

nonsense.

I aint saying dont get married, I am not saying dont be with the one you love, what I am saying is the government should not be in the marriage/civil union business

its not a right, its a privilege....if it was a right, you would not be required to get a licence

as I have stated before, why do the married folks get over 1000 benefits, while the single (or shacking up) folks dont get those benefits

why should a married couple, get to pay as one entity, yet a couple that have been together for 20 years and not married has to pay as 2 signle people,,,,,are they not both couples.....

see the point
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Old 08-15-2010, 12:56 PM
 
Location: Boise
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nonsense.

I aint saying dont get married, I am not saying dont be with the one you love, what I am saying is the government should not be in the marriage/civil union business

its not a right, its a privilege....if it was a right, you would not be required to get a licence

as I have stated before, why do the married folks get over 1000 benefits, while the single (or shacking up) folks dont get those benefits

why should a married couple, get to pay as one entity, yet a couple that have been together for 20 years and not married has to pay as 2 signle people,,,,,are they not both couples.....

see the point
single people get better benefits when they retire, which is why many elderly people actually get a divorce, so they can get more ss money and what not..
there's two sides to the coin..
you can't get government out of the marriage issue, because marriage is a legal contract.. what you propose sounds good.. but is illogical...
if it isn't a legal contract.. it's not a marriage..it in fact is just "shacking up"
so proposing that the government have nothing to do with marriage.. what do you suggest we do when two people split up? who gets what? what about the kids? the legal contract itself is the backbone of what a marriage is in our society..without it.. it's not a marriage
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Old 08-15-2010, 08:04 PM
 
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get rid of the government in marriages/civil unions, and get rid of the unfair practice of giving 'marriages' a financial benefit

it comes down to GREED
Ridiculous. I don't know any couples (gay or straight) who got married for the financial benefits. In fact, I don't think I've even ever heard of anyone getting married for the financial benefits.
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Old 08-16-2010, 12:18 AM
 
Location: The 12th State
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There going to be divorces it not always going to be gay the English definition
GAY: Webster definition
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happily excited : merry <in a gay mood> b : keenly alive and exuberant : having or inducing high spirits <a bird's gay spring song>
2 a : bright, lively <gay sunny meadows> b : brilliant in color
3 : given to social pleasures; a


Let us legally worry about Child Support, Alimony & Pre- nuptial agreements.

This first time I typed this but plan
To use environmental friendly Lawn Paint and Paint a Big Rainbow Flag and have a back yard BBQ
on the day that we are no longer treated as second class citizens.
If you are flying from Charlotte you will see it that big.
I have the back yard to do it
Spoiler
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Old 08-16-2010, 12:21 AM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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Ridiculous. I don't know any couples (gay or straight) who got married for the financial benefits. In fact, I don't think I've even ever heard of anyone getting married for the financial benefits.
Really? You've never heard the word "golddigger?"
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Old 08-16-2010, 07:48 AM
 
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Another poster Gplex posted these videos in another part of the forums.
They are a great overview of the ruling and are well worth watching.


YouTube - How Proposition 8 Went Down (Part 1 of 2)



YouTube - How Proposition 8 Went Down (Part 2 of 2)
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