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View Poll Results: Would you be in favor of an injection to keep babies from being born gay?
Yes 15 16.30%
No 59 64.13%
It would be against the Will of God to tamper with his Creation 11 11.96%
babies are not born gay. It is a choice they make. 16 17.39%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 92. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 07-05-2010, 09:16 AM
 
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Where were these studies done?

Glenn Beck University...?
Probably the long discredited rabidly anti-gay unregistered psychologist Paul Cameron. Not that I would call anything he rants about "scientific". The only people who quote him are religious anti-gay organizations. Paul Cameron: Introduction
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Old 07-05-2010, 12:02 PM
 
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In the study where they used the high powered MRI tool they were clear pictures of abnormalities in the brains of the homosexuals...Google it up yourself......hey whats your point anyway?
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Old 07-05-2010, 01:07 PM
 
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In the study where they used the high powered MRI tool they were clear pictures of abnormalities in the brains of the homosexuals...Google it up yourself......hey whats your point anyway?
"Abnormalities"? Yes, researchers have found brain differences between gay men and straight men, but to call them "abnormalities" makes it sound like a defect when it's not. There are simply differences between different types of people. If you have an anti-gay agenda, of course, I can understand why you would want to portray the brain differences negatively.
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Old 07-05-2010, 01:16 PM
 
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
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If you could get an injection that would decrease the lieklihood of your child being born gay, would you do it?

Is homosexuality genetic? Are babies born gay?

A lot of food for thought in this article from the L.A. Times.

Preventing homosexuality in utero: Could we? Would we? Should we? | Booster Shots | Los Angeles Times
...Wow.

HELL NO, I wouldn't give my child an injection to lower the chance of them being gay. Let your kid be who they want to be for Christ sake.

Homosexuality is somewhat genetics and somewhat choice. It's never just one or the other.
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Old 07-05-2010, 01:40 PM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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I see you are comfortable in your prejudice and ignorance. It is eugenics all over again. Who would be next, African Americans?
No newhandles, it is not eugenics. Do you even read the article?

"Eugenics - the study of or belief in the possibility of improving the qualities of the human species or a human population, esp. by such means as discouraging reproduction by persons having genetic defects or presumed to have inheritable undesirable traits (negative eugenics) or encouraging reproduction by persons presumed to have inheritable desirable traits."

The article does not say ANYTHING about discouraging or encouraging reproduction. There is no actual "gay gene". There are genes that have an effect on hormone levels, which is connected with higher probabilities of homosexual behavior.

But these hormone differences are not necessarily bad, as long as the result isn't homosexuality. These hormones are connected with many other positive traits. Such as left-handedness, higher sex-drives, and even larger penises.

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A high IQ is a genetic abnormality. Would you want to "correct" that too?

Perhaps there is a benefical bioevolutionary reason that there has always been a small minority of homosexuals born throughout human history.

Why do you assume it's a "bad" thing?
Having a high IQ is a condition that enables higher rates of sexual reproduction. Humans over the hundreds of thousands or millions of years have evolved to become more intelligent because of the evolutionary pressures on intelligent. Having a high IQ is obviously a good thing.

Real genetic abnormalities would be like, low IQ, down-syndrome. Midgets, the deformed, the disabled, genetic diseases/disorders.

But let me go back and say again. There is no "gay gene". There is no single gene that if you have it then you are flaming gay. There are many genes that raise your likelihood of showing homosexual behavior.

But there is no real bioevolutionary reason for homosexuality, though there is some bioevolutionary reasons for bi-sexuality. There are other animals that exhibit homosexual and bi-sexual relationships. But by far the most common is bi-sexual behavior.

Homosexual behavior in animals - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In all cases, it is a issue with hormone levels in-utero. Which are basically genetic.

The hormones that have a small chance of causing homosexuality create higher sex-drives. Homosexuals tend to have amazingly high sex-drives. And bi-sexual men tend to have much higher sex drives than straight men. The other animals that show bi-sexual behavior tend to also have very high sex drives, and are more sexual opportunists than anything. Many animals will even try to have sex with other animals. Domestic dogs have generally been selected for high breeding rates. Many domestic dogs will hump almost anything.

So obviously if the multiple genes that raise your chances of homosexuality also increase your sex drive. Then those genes will become more and more common in the general population, this is in spite of the fact that homosexuals obviously cannot have children themselves.


Full on homosexuality, where men only get with other men is never supposed to happen in any meaningful way, it is the genetic anomaly that does not produce meaningful results.

Basically, complete homosexuality is a genetic condition which is an evolutionary dead-end. Similar to severe mental retardation, persons born deformed, or dwarves/midgets.

If any of these conditions could be corrected in-utero, then I see no reason why we shouldn't. It is not harming anyone, it is not preventing life, and it isn't even unnatural in any real way. Unless you believe that any kind of medical intervention is "against god". Especially any drugs that might change the way your brain processes information. Would medications such as mood stabilizers and anti-depressants be somehow "against god".

Give me a break.
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Old 07-05-2010, 01:47 PM
 
Location: On the Rails in Northern NJ
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"AnUnidentifiedMale" I'm curious on why you voted yes?
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Old 07-05-2010, 02:00 PM
 
Location: Long Beach
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No newhandles, it is not eugenics. Do you even read the article?

"Eugenics - the study of or belief in the possibility of improving the qualities of the human species or a human population, esp. by such means as discouraging reproduction by persons having genetic defects or presumed to have inheritable undesirable traits (negative eugenics) or encouraging reproduction by persons presumed to have inheritable desirable traits."

The article does not say ANYTHING about discouraging or encouraging reproduction. There is no actual "gay gene". There are genes that have an effect on hormone levels, which is connected with higher probabilities of homosexual behavior.

But these hormone differences are not necessarily bad, as long as the result isn't homosexuality. These hormones are connected with many other positive traits. Such as left-handedness, higher sex-drives, and even larger penises.



Having a high IQ is a condition that enables higher rates of sexual reproduction. Humans over the hundreds of thousands or millions of years have evolved to become more intelligent because of the evolutionary pressures on intelligent. Having a high IQ is obviously a good thing.

Real genetic abnormalities would be like, low IQ, down-syndrome. Midgets, the deformed, the disabled, genetic diseases/disorders.

But let me go back and say again. There is no "gay gene". There is no single gene that if you have it then you are flaming gay. There are many genes that raise your likelihood of showing homosexual behavior.

But there is no real bioevolutionary reason for homosexuality, though there is some bioevolutionary reasons for bi-sexuality. There are other animals that exhibit homosexual and bi-sexual relationships. But by far the most common is bi-sexual behavior.

Homosexual behavior in animals - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In all cases, it is a issue with hormone levels in-utero. Which are basically genetic.

The hormones that have a small chance of causing homosexuality create higher sex-drives. Homosexuals tend to have amazingly high sex-drives. And bi-sexual men tend to have much higher sex drives than straight men. The other animals that show bi-sexual behavior tend to also have very high sex drives, and are more sexual opportunists than anything. Many animals will even try to have sex with other animals. Domestic dogs have generally been selected for high breeding rates. Many domestic dogs will hump almost anything.

So obviously if the multiple genes that raise your chances of homosexuality also increase your sex drive. Then those genes will become more and more common in the general population, this is in spite of the fact that homosexuals obviously cannot have children themselves.


Full on homosexuality, where men only get with other men is never supposed to happen in any meaningful way, it is the genetic anomaly that does not produce meaningful results.

Basically, complete homosexuality is a genetic condition which is an evolutionary dead-end. Similar to severe mental retardation, persons born deformed, or dwarves/midgets.

If any of these conditions could be corrected in-utero, then I see no reason why we shouldn't. It is not harming anyone, it is not preventing life, and it isn't even unnatural in any real way. Unless you believe that any kind of medical intervention is "against god". Especially any drugs that might change the way your brain processes information. Would medications such as mood stabilizers and anti-depressants be somehow "against god".

Give me a break.

Wait, you believe in evolution?

You made this entire post "look" smart and like you know what's what. But having read it twice....I'm now more dumber for do it.
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Old 07-05-2010, 02:07 PM
 
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"AnUnidentifiedMale" I'm curious on why you voted yes?
He answered your question in post #12.
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Old 07-05-2010, 02:19 PM
 
Location: Great Falls, Montana
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If there were no side effects? Probably.
Homosexuals are not an endangered species. Nobody would get hurt. And it would be one less thing for everyone to fight about.

But I'd rather have an injection that would prevent them from being idiots.
Hey .. if we had that, the Politics and Controversies Forum Threads on CD would be a pretty boring place ..

I mean, C'Mon .. some of us enjoy reading what the idiots have to say ..
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Old 07-05-2010, 02:21 PM
 
Location: On the Rails in Northern NJ
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He answered your question in post #12.
LOL , but still......hes giving the haters some ammo in a way.
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