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I totally disagree with this. In 100 years, Atheist will be lucky to be 1/32 of our generation. Oh the number of Atheist is growing, but the number was so small, its not yet even worth measuring.
And I was programed by God, it was he who manipulated my life away from my familys religion. And then EVERY other religion I even tried to get in, he turned me away from that. I didnot come to believe in him on my own, he gave me belief. And nobody but him has fed my consciousness since. He won't even allow me to learn any other way.
And you know what; I don't want to learn anyother way. I don't want or need anything to be between me and how God is teaching me.
Thanks for proving my point, Oldcold. You are programed to believe ANY definition of God is wrong.
I'll let YOU think about that.
There you go again and even taking it one step further.
With absolutely not one whit of knowledge, telling me, not only what I think, but why.
In actuality, I was 'programmed' to believe in God and thought I did and tried hard to for many years.
Unless, of course, you agree with Mikiel that everybody is what they are because that's the way god planned it.
In that case, why even think about why you do anything whatsoever?
Just do whatever comes to you and let god change it if and when his "plan" calls for it.
This I disagree with, in my view, God cannot be reduced to veto by a human. When God opens a human, nothing in that human can reject him. When people reject God, its ONLY because he never opened them in the first place. Freewill is a limited illusion in my view, it only exist until God excerts his will into the picture; then all things change, there is no longer a choice, there is only his will.
I disagree with this based on what the Bible says ; God in his love for us, gave us the capacity for freewill choice...whether to freely return his love for us , or, to deny it and stay seperated from him. Scripture says that it is NOT Gods will that ANY should perish but come to repentence., therefore, he didnt select only a few to be saved but gave everyone the same opportunity to respond to him. God didnt make us robotic to where we are coersed into loving him , for, he doesnt work that way ; God offers everyone who is a creation in his very image , the chance for moving closer to him or further away -- he used the personal physical Creation(which all can witness), the Bible which can be shown to be supernaturally inspired by him, and Jesus Christ coming to earth taking on human form to be a free sacrifice for our sins , commonly called The Gospel that saves a person.
Freewill cant be a limited illusion, as it is also a love gift our Parents gave us by birthing us ; it is/was their sincere hope that we as children would freely return their love back to them as a freewill act . It isnt love if we have no choice in the matter , yet we do as evidenced by many people who distance themselves from their Parents as they grow older or who choose to remain in a loving, honoring, faithful state of mind.
Like any other kind of free gift given to us, we have the choice of recieving it or saying 'no thanks' .
Your trying to make sense of something that is faith based. Faith doesn't require proof.
I'm not trying to make sense of anything, but he made the statement, and I am curious about how he will answer...I'm trying to get him to realize that everything he knows about god came from others, not from god.
Your trying to make sense of something that is faith based. Faith doesn't require proof.
Which is the way I've sort of come to terms with Mickiel. He seems like a good guy with a compassionate religion that he firmly believes in.
But there is no reason to try to have a rationally debate with him about his positions, because they are almost wholely without rational support. In fact, he doesn't really look for rational support for his arguments, since the arguments are entirely faith based. No matter how sound your logic, it won't pierce his faith because a logical arguement is irrelevent to where he is coming from.
He seems like a good guy that is expressing his opinion, irrespective of it's logical merit.
Which is the way I've sort of come to terms with Mickiel. He seems like a good guy with a compassionate religion that he firmly believes in.
But there is no reason to try to have a rationally debate with him about his positions, because they are almost wholely without rational support. In fact, he doesn't really look for rational support for his arguments, since the arguments are entirely faith based. No matter how sound your logic, it won't pierce his faith because a logical arguement is irrelevent to where he is coming from.
He seems like a good guy that is expressing his opinion, irrespective of it's logical merit.
Well thank you. And by the way, I am not religious, and I do not believe in religion. And I have no Faith, my views are based on facts.
But, you said that you were programmed by God. If he didn't speak to you how was this accomplished?
Very simply; through my consciousness. Nothing verbal, no sounds, no vocies, no dreams, no hokey pokey; simple communication downloaded into your consciousness. The knowledge and understanding which was not there before, is simply now there.
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