Official Greater Philadelphia Area Crime Thread (Washington, Freedom: unions, director, industry)

[Angus215]

Originally Posted by cpomp

Sort of crime related, but Starbucks at 10th & Chestnut is among several (nationwide) to close amid safety concerns. I believe it related to homelessness and drug usage taking over the bathrooms. Interesting how the "open to all" bathroom policy has since backfired.

https://www.bizjournals.com/philadel...-chestnut.html

Go figure, you advertise that you're open for business as a homeless shelter and you turn decent, paying people away. I'm sure the bathroom in that Starbucks looked like the ones in Jefferson Station.

[MPK21]

Originally Posted by Angus215

Go figure, you advertise that you're open for business as a homeless shelter and you turn decent, paying people away. I'm sure the bathroom in that Starbucks looked like the ones in Jefferson Station.

Right, and of the 16 locations Starbucks closed out of all of its approximately 15,500 U.S. locations, one was in Philly at 10/Chestnut. And those decent, paying people turned away included lots of staff and patient families etc visiting Jefferson Hospital campus, the location of this soon to be shuttered location.

Interesting article from the WSJ, in which Philly is prominently discussed:

The Pursuit of ‘Social Justice’ Is Getting People Killed
Chaos follows wherever far-left attitudes on crime and punishment are allowed to take hold.

In part: ''It’s difficult to keep track of all the public policies being advocated in the name of “social justice,” but the damage is mounting. And no one is harmed more than the people in whose name the policies are promoted''

Pretty much sums up today's urban progressive-social justice policies, from the murder mayhem going on to the open season retail stealing, to having, at least in the blue cities, ''open bathrooms for everyone'' in private businesses.

Weigh and balance the causes of today's urban dysfunction but those still blaming the pandemic never mention the progressive-social justice policies or the 2020 wokeness that ran a presidential campaign on anti-police rhetoric, America's systemic racism, while backing and supporting violent criminal felons. Or is this all a right-wing attack on cities like Philly?

[MPK21]

From today's Inquirer, (2) overnight mass shootings among 10 total shooting victims:

"Five teenagers and a mother with her kids were among 10 people shot overnight in Philadelphia
Among the victims was a 26-year-old woman who was shot in the head while her children, ages 2 and 6, were in the backseat of the car."

[AshbyQuin]

delusional to think Philadelphia will automatically reach Boston or San Diego levels of crime under a new DA and Mayor. Philly still had the highest homicide rate of all major cities during its safest years when the city averaged <300 homicides from 2013-2016.

We’ll likely see a gradual decline over the next decade, going from 550+ to 450 to 400-350 to 350-300 ect; instead of jumping from 550 down to 200 in the span of 2 years.

[MPK21]

Originally Posted by AshbyQuin

delusional to think Philadelphia will automatically reach Boston or San Diego levels of crime under a new DA and Mayor. Philly still had the highest homicide rate of all major cities during its safest years when the city averaged <300 homicides from 2013-2016.

We’ll likely see a gradual decline over the next decade, going from 550+ to 450 to 400-350 to 350-300 ect; instead of jumping from 550 down to 200 in the span of 2 years.

Right, some people think this is a short-term temporary crime-homicide spike that will quickly resolve when and if we get a new DA and a ''competent'' mayor...the quickest start to the long-term resolution of this mess is getting rid of Outlaw today.

Currently we're running just below last year's homicide #s; that could easily go over last year given the current pace of murders; the shootings and the hardly mentioned carjackings are running at an out of control pace.

We're is BLM today? Counting and spending its white guilt shakedown $$

[AshbyQuin]

Originally Posted by MPK21

Right, some people think this is a short-term temporary crime-homicide spike that will quickly resolve when and if we get a new DA and a ''competent'' mayor...the quickest start to the long-term resolution of this mess is getting rid of Outlaw today.

Currently we're running just below last year's homicide #s; that could easily go over last year given the current pace of murders; the shootings and the hardly mentioned carjackings are running at an out of control pace.

We're is BLM today? Counting and spending its white guilt shakedown $$

Outlaw is a tiny fraction of the problem.

It's a generational community issue - How many of those children that killed killed the 72 year old man were raised by single mothers or grandparents?

This type of anti-authoritarian/thug behavior is promoted on television, rap music, video games and social media. Whenever someone tries to criticize it, they're either canceled or labeled a racist because it's seen as "culture".

[Redddog]

The homicide numbers are going to blow past last years. Shootings are up. The only reason more people haven't been killed is that shooters are so young, they suck at it.

[MarketStEl]

Originally Posted by MPK21

Weigh and balance the causes of today's urban dysfunction but those still blaming the pandemic never mention the progressive-social justice policies or the 2020 wokeness that ran a presidential campaign on anti-police rhetoric, America's systemic racism, while backing and supporting violent criminal felons. Or is this all a right-wing attack on cities like Philly?

Don't confuse the local for the national.

Candidate Joe Biden not only rejected calls to "defund the police," his platform called for both increased funding for the social programs activists claimed would reduce the need for police intervention and increased funding for law enforcement:

Biden rejects calls to defund police | POLITICO

Are you familiar with the crime stats over the period since Camden's old police department was replaced with a new, county-run one? I suggest you check them out — then read up on what the new Camden County Police Department chief told the officer ranks* what their first job was on their beats.

*The officers were all new, too. The CCoPD did offer the old Camden City FOP the option of keeping their jobs under their new management, but the police union declined the offer.

[ilovephilly79]

Originally Posted by AshbyQuin

Outlaw is a tiny fraction of the problem.

It's a generational community issue - How many of those children that killed killed the 72 year old man were raised by single mothers or grandparents?

This type of anti-authoritarian/thug behavior is promoted on television, rap music, video games and social media. Whenever someone tries to criticize it, they're either canceled or labeled a racist because it's seen as "culture".

Boy is this a good point. I couldn't agree more. Our societal problems boil down to values and problems within the family unit. That is exacerbated within poverty-stricken communities, because these problems are more common than in communities with high levels of education and affluence. However, there are still are poor values and divorces in those communities as well. And don't get me started with rich, progressive people with lots of education that can't think critically or relate to the real world in any way. These people are making a ton of noise that is contributing to our problems. That is why the problem doesn't just exist in poverty-stricken neighborhoods. People are entitled, value superficial ideas and people, and life can't keep up with expectations. Lots and lots of low emotional intelligence out there. And twice as many egos.

Nationally, we suffer from too few quality jobs, a poor education system, and leadership that is not financially thoughtful. Although that shouldn't be surprising, because our elected officials are simply a representation of the people. People who lack education, good critical thought, and always want the easy way out. Our problems are significant and deep.

[ilovephilly79]

Originally Posted by MarketStEl

Don't confuse the local for the national.

Candidate Joe Biden not only rejected calls to "defund the police," his platform called for both increased funding for the social programs activists claimed would reduce the need for police intervention and increased funding for law enforcement:

Biden rejects calls to defund police | POLITICO

Are you familiar with the crime stats over the period since Camden's old police department was replaced with a new, county-run one? I suggest you check them out — then read up on what the new Camden County Police Department chief told the officer ranks* what their first job was on their beats.

*The officers were all new, too. The CCoPD did offer the old Camden City FOP the option of keeping their jobs under their new management, but the police union declined the offer.

I often tell my father that it's not hard to find good or theoretically feasible ideas. Our problem in this country has to do with the ability to take good action. That requires good leadership that can make good decisions that are not always popular. Most of our leaders refuse to do that because it is political suicide. Most of our politicians aim to have a long political career. And even if we get one good politician that is trying to do the right thing, the machine is big and powerful. It can remove those individuals, or stymie their ability to make meaningful change.

I think it would help all of us to remember that this is our key problem. We have a system that has been compromised to the point where all of the air in the room is used up by two powerful parties Waging War for control. The people in this country are divided, but this should be the one unifying Factor.