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The DPT shot (diphtheria, pertussis, tetanus), in one form or another, has been around since around the 1800's. If your child was born after I was born (1961) then I'm pretty sure the shot was available
The pertussis component, while it has been around for a long time, has not been used since the 1800s... it started in the 1940s.
Well my son did get all his shots and he is 24...but somehow he got pertussis. Not really sure how. It took a specialist to figure it out. It is appearing again in Aboriginal people in this part of the world, but he was very definitely vaccinated.
I know what you mean - I eat cheese, and add milk to my cereal, and put it in my coffee every day...I don't buy the stuff that says "not from cows with rGBH" or anything, and I'm still only 5'2.5".
Sucks.
Well at least we don't really have to worry about being shorter than our men. Unless you are married to my dad who is 5'6". I get my height from him. My mom is 5'5" and comes from a fam of average height. My father's mother however is about 4'9" and my grandfather was shorter than me when he died!
So, the other day I was with someone who was lecturing me on why vaccinations are not good (my children are fully vaccinated). She pulled out Fruit Loops for her kids to eat as snack. I was asking her about why she would not vaccinate b/c of health risks, yet would feed her children terrible food which certainly has health risks.
So I guess that's my question...how many of you are careful about some of the other big risks out there--food, water, etc.? Why turn down vaccinations b/c they could be harmful, you think, to your children, and then hand them red dye #40, corn syrup, and fruit loops?
This is a good question. I have the same question when it comes to organic/conventional produce issues. I'll tell you what I think.
Probabilities are very small that vaccinating my children will cause them problems. Probabilities are also very small that NOT vaccinating my children will be the cause of major problems for them. Probabilities are very small that buying my produce from Walmart (as opposed to certified organic from the farmers market) will cause them major problems.
Probabilities are pretty good that feeding my children lots of McDonalds hamburgers and fries and soda and potato chips will cause them major problems. Probabilities are pretty good that feeding my children lots of ramen/spaghetti/fruit loops and not many veggies will cause them problems.
Even Walmart produce is better then no produce. Sure their tomatoes taste like cardboard, but for the 9 months out of the year (10 this year. Darn screwy cold weather! Where is global warming when you need it?) that I don't have home grown tomatoes, they're better than no tomatoes. Sure zucchini and lettuce out of my own garden are preferable, but I can only do that a few months out of the year. I'm limited with what I can store. I can grow my own alfalfa sprouts year round, and if I and my children acquire a taste for them and actually put in the work required to grow them, I figure that will have more of an impact on our health than any decision about vaccines. Or pesticides. Or growth hormones. Or fluoride.
There are a couple of simple things that I can do that will have more impact on my family's health than not vaccinating them. Some of them actually SAVE me money. Oatmeal and cream of wheat are MUCH more healthy than fruit loops and cocoa puffs. If I buy them in bulk, they're also much less expensive. If I add a little bit of Hazelnut flavored (or Irish Creme) non-dairy creamer to the oat meal, my kids love it. Heck, oatmeal cookies are more healthy than Lucky Charms. So are chocolate chip cookies. Even brownies. It takes a little bit more work than pouring breakfast out of a box, but I can do that.
A salad a day keeps the doctor away. I can get fake bacon bits and seasoned salt from the dollar store. I can make my own stir fry mix and freeze it, and then I can have home grown veggies all year. Yeah, there are a lot of things higher on my list than worrying about vaccines.
It's funny how people refuse to have their children immunized yet they
use chemicals in their homes all the time,
use anti-bacterial soaps and cleaners,
slather their kids with sunscreen (all chemicals),
use disposable diapers (all chemicals),
use cosmetics,
use lotions and powders on their kids
Well I for one am against it and myself have never been vaccinated or my parents and grandparents. Which they are in their late 90's and one is 102. I have never been sick but once when I was a kid and dealt with a fever. I remember it to this day my mother wrapped me up in a blanket and sat with me for which felt like an eternity. Only lasted 8-10 hours and I was perfect and running around the next day. I have never been sick like that sense then, and follow a strict guide line for living. A way that has been preached and past down for generations.
I use no chemicals in my home to clean. I use hydrogen peroxide for my cleaning purpose, yea my home has a funny smell after cleaning but I just burn incense. I use only natural soaps for my body and no sun screens ever. I also use only cloth diapers on my son and he is only breast feed. He will be till the age of at least one, then will be moved on to vegetables that I grow at home in my greenhouse and pureed.
In fairness I believe I'm excluded from your accusation there.
It seems obvious that children who are not vaccinated are at an increased risk of contracting the Vaccine preventable diseases. From the link you posted:
So if 11% are due to vaccine refusal, what is the reason for the other 89%?
There's a difference in population between those who have specifically refused a vaccine, those who are too young for it, and those for whom it has not been an option (much of the refugee population). There is also a difference among vaxed individuals between those whose immunity has worn off over time, those who never developed immunity, those who developed partial immunity (which appears to be common with the varicella vaccine, at least among my kids' agemates), and those who develop the disease as a result of the vaccine.
The other 89% could be for a number of reasons, one of which in certainly vaccines which did not fully work as intended-- but there are a host of other options as well.
The problem with this is that they start giving vaccinations within a few days of a baby's birth. I remember when my dd was 2 days old and they wanted to give her the Hep B vaccine in the hospital. The nurse asked me if she was allergic to eggs. I looked at the nurse, puzzled. How would I know the answer to that, since dd was only days old and had never been exposed to eggs? If the Hep B vaccine is dangerous for those with egg allergies, shouldn't they wait to give it since no parent of a newborn will know if their child has an egg allergy at birth?
There remains, though, a huge middle ground between "shoot 'em up with everything the minute they pop out" and "expose them to bubonic plague the old fashioned way".
We separated and delayed vaccinations (at the suggestion of our pede, lest anyone think this makes us either some appalling sort of Radical Hippie Germophiliacs or that we had to fight the Established Medical Terrorists Who Wish to Make All Children Brain Damaged). Well, until this year; the kids actually did get the combined DTaP, with no sequelae other than a whiny twelve-year-old boy with a sore arm. Refused Gardasil for both kids (maybe later, though probably not; too early to tell right now). We know people whose lines in the sand are on both extremes, but tend to fall in the middle-- as we do with McDonald's (on rare occasions, but not their milkshakes ever since a friend pointed out their chemical similarity to Metamucil), meat (less than once a week, prefer hormone- & ATB- free, though I love barbecue too much to ever be fully vegetarian) and medications (not generally a huge fan, but I've seen too many people whose lives have been completely transformed by a good anxiolytic or psychotropic and refuse to dismiss them wholesale).
5. Vaccine Safety and Benefits. This guy talks about the link between autism and the MMR shot. He quotes the Andrew Wakefield study which has been debunked in 12 subsequent studies. You guys just don't get it do you? The system doesn't have to keep spending endless resources to prove something that has been established over and over again. A thirteenth study shouldn't be done. It'd be a waste of resources. Can't you at least have the honesty and integrity to admit that (1) the Wakefield Study has been discredited; and (2) Wakefield has lost his license to practice medicine because of the dishonesty he employed in conducting this study?
We can go back and forth all day long on that trial, Big money and Politics is all I have to say. I'm not going to sit here and try to defend the man but will post some information on this subject for others and yourself to read through. Might really want to read through all the links I post too.
All I have to ask is for everyone that reads this to read everything, click on every link read any and every article you find and really use your heads on making any decision for yourself and for your family. I'm not telling you to vaccinate or not. You decide that factor.
You asked me to provide evidence that vaccines are safe. I'm happy to oblige. I have one statement here from the Food and Drug Administration and another from the Center for Disease Control. Of course, if you believe there is a "BIG CONSPIRACY" to keep the public from learning the "TRUTH" about vaccines, I'm sure this will mean nothing to you. This is real science, Sir. Its not statements from naturopathic physicians, radio talk show hosts, and herbalists. Anyway, here goes:
BTW, I never said anything on this group about fluoridation. If someone asked me, I'd tell them that I support fluoridation of the water supply. IMO, though, it is not a public health issue that has the importance that vaccination does.
Well for the Fluoride you can read the pdf's I posted on another's thread for all the information on that.
Well thats good you only take your information from the CDC and FDA. I'm not going to get into a debate on those two organizations as I'm sure we both have way different views. Instead I'm going to provide links with information to discredit them with the WHO and more info on Pharmaceutical companies too, with conflicts of interest. Where there should be laws to protect us.
The House Committee on Energy and Commerce :: News Release :: Dingell, Stupak to Investigate FDA (http://energycommerce.house.gov/Press_110/110nr383.shtml - broken link)
This list can go on forever but I will leave it up to the individual to get the info they need to make any dissension they have to.
All I have to say is medicine would be better then it is now if money did not drive the goal. MONEY CORRUPTS EVERYTHING! If there were not for profit companies that developed vaccines and was highly regulated and disclosed all and any studies to the public. I bet we would not have the problems we have today.
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If the Hep B vaccine is dangerous for those with egg allergies, shouldn't they wait to give it since no parent of a newborn will know if their child has an egg allergy at birth?
