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So funny. Discount a $40 million transportation project that has taken 20 plus years to build. Discounting a commercial district rehab area...that is also a Historic District. Discounting a 400% increase in population downtown in a couple of years time span. Discounting ECU's entrance into downtown with its Admin building and Business buildings. Discounting the first hotel downtown. I never even mentioned long term plans for a Performing Arts Center overlooking the Town Common, which is being redeveloped.
To be honest, you have no idea what you are talking about 485 because you have no idea about downtown Greenville NC and what its becoming, virtually overnight.
BTW, Greenville has a Coliseum and 50,000 seat stadium off of 14th St, just a short walk from downtown. But I guess those dont mean anything either...not unless they are in the piedmont, apparently.
That's great for Greenville.
40 million is half of our 1.5 mile streetcar line in Charlotte. and nearly 1/4 of the cost of to extend it out by another 2.5 miles that will be complete in 2020.
Concord, NC has a larger bus ridership and Greenville is looking to grow their bus ridership up to the level of Concord's...
Concord in the past couple years made their airport open to larger jets with flights to 4 Floridian cities and New Orleans. Greenville has a flight to Charlotte. Big deal for Concord.
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Downtown Concord’s $194.5 Million Redevelopment Plan Will Forever Change The City
In the plans most recent meeting, Concord Mayor Scott Padgett noted, “We can all remember when Concord and most downtowns were dead; they just hadn’t been declared dead, but they were. Now we’ve got so much going on. I honestly think our best days are ahead of us with some of the projects that I know you already know about. It’s been very good, and things are changing a lot. Whether it will look like this or sort of like this or nothing like this, I just want to emphasize that we have made no decision about this.”
Concord has a lot of other big changes and projects going on. Gastonia has big changes, a bus system nearly as busy as Greenville's. Gastonia is getting its first hotel downtown and is revitalizing, added a little park, added a stage for entertainment downtown, etc.
It's not overlooking. It's just not as "transformational" as you think. What you are describing is countless towns and cities in the Charlotte metro area alone. Davidson's downtown population is booming by hundreds of percent, has a downtown college, plus it too has a pretty robust bus system part of CATS and there are plans to heavily invest in rapid transit (either commuter rail or Bus Rapid Transit in the interim). Downtown Davidson is fighting a project of hundreds of new apartments and a new hotel.
I mean. From Huntersville, Davidson, Cornelius, Concord, Gastonia and more... What you're describing isn't any different than these cities' downtowns...Thats just the Charlotte region. I think I heard Kannapolis is investing pretty solidly into its downtown, pretty sure I read they want a downtown baseball stadium, etc.
Just completely not anywhere near as transformational as whats happening in Raleigh or CLT. And not just due to them being larger. But due to these 2 cities along with a few others around the country (Nashville, Austin, Denver, Des Moines, etc.) literally undergoing impressive transformations.
EDIT: That said. I appreciate the links you are providing as I do find it enjoyable to see Greenville's projects. Although I think even downtown Davidson, Huntersville and Cornelius are much more impressive, much higher quality and much more transformational. Much more retail, amenities, also civic centers, etc. A few of those projects you posted would never be allowed to be built in these respective downtowns except that ECU building
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Maybe I'm missing something but I don't see anything "transformative" here. Am I missing something? To be honest I see nothing impressive here. It basically looks like the same kinda projects being built along Hillsbrough Street(NCSU). On a slightly smaller scale though.
My son is in his last year at ECU. I haven't been to Greenville in about 6 months. When I was last there I saw a few things going up around ECU. None I'd jump up and down about though. Maybe I missed something. As far as downtown goes. It didn't look like much was going on,maybe I missed something?
Not saying Greenville isn't a nice city. The Hospital complex is impressive imo. Downtown that's another story.
Maybe I'm missing something but I don't see anything "transformative" here. Am I missing something? To be honest I see nothing impressive here. It basically looks like the same kinda projects being built along Hillsbrough Street(NCSU). On a slightly smaller scale though.
You mean like how the new FNB Tower in Raleigh and Skyhouse Raleigh are smaller scales of similar projects elsewhere in NC? Is it really cool for any of us to "show up at someone's birthday party and pop ALL of the balloons while spitting on the cake"? Can we just give Greenville a "Clap-clap-Bravo" (as Drake put it in a rap song) and keep it moving? This is the NC Development Thread after all...
You mean like how the new FNB Tower in Raleigh and Skyhouse Raleigh are smaller scales of similar projects elsewhere in NC? Is it really cool for any of us to "show up at someone's birthday party and pop ALL of the balloons while spitting on the cake"? Can we just give Greenville a "Clap-clap-Bravo" (as Drake put it in a rap song) and keep it moving? This is the NC Development Thread after all...
No one said they were. I said it was silly to think downtown Greenville or Davidson’s transformation will be more transformative than Raleigh’s. It completely undercuts what’s going on in downtown Raleigh and it’s just silly.
All atowwwn did was state the obvious. Other than ECU... the projects are lackluster and isn’t anything you couldn’t find popping up anywhere in any Charlottr/Triangle suburbs. If that hotel were built uptown, heads would be rolling.
We can all agree the growth of all towns and cities is great. But compared to Raleigh.... and people defending it? Lol.
(And it has nothing to do with scale.)
And it’s better to show up and pop the balloons and spit on the cake than go on and on how you didn’t even want the birthday cake anyway, there’s too many calories, you’re better off without the birthday cake. Amazon.
Charlotte485, please stop. No one is doing the calculations to see whether Greenville’s growth is more transformative than Raleigh’s on a percentage-basage. And if they do do the math, it will have to be someone other than you. No one wants to read your thoughts on a city you admit you never heard of before last week.
There are other projects downtown, like Jefferson's Florist renovating an old building, the Greenville Visitor's Bureau renovating the old Elbo Room, a new Theta Chi Fraternity house on 5th St. And all of this is just what was recently completed or on deck now. What happens in the next 10-15 years in this 25 or so block area will likely be on an elevated scale.
Point is that from its starting point of the downtown a few years ago, the number of rehab of historic properties and scale of new projects for a city of less than 100K is completely transformative in nature. Sheer numbers downtown create a critical mass for a community of its size. Its not one project...one stadium, one skyscaper...and its a smaller scale than the top 2 cities in the state, but the investment is substantial and relative to its size certainly is categorized as transformative.
40 million is half of our 1.5 mile streetcar line in Charlotte. and nearly 1/4 of the cost of to extend it out by another 2.5 miles that will be complete in 2020. Never compared Greenville to Charlotte
Concord, NC has a larger bus ridership and Greenville is looking to grow their bus ridership up to the level of Concord's...No it doesnt, you are not taking into account the ECU bus system, which dwarfs the bus ridership of Concord's
Concord in the past couple years made their airport open to larger jets with flights to 4 Floridian cities and New Orleans. Greenville has a flight to Charlotte. Big deal for Concord.Because of being in the Charlotte metro, and what does airport size have to do with downtown development?
Concord has a lot of other big changes and projects going on. Gastonia has big changes, a bus system nearly as busy as Greenville's. Gastonia is getting its first hotel downtown and is revitalizing, added a little park, added a stage for entertainment downtown, etc.
It's not overlooking. It's just not as "transformational" as you think. What you are describing is countless towns and cities in the Charlotte metro area alone. Davidson's downtown population is booming by hundreds of percent, has a downtown college, plus it too has a pretty robust bus system part of CATS and there are plans to heavily invest in rapid transit (either commuter rail or Bus Rapid Transit in the interim). Downtown Davidson is fighting a project of hundreds of new apartments and a new hotel.
I mean. From Huntersville, Davidson, Cornelius, Concord, Gastonia and more... What you're describing isn't any different than these cities' downtowns...Thats just the Charlotte region. I think I heard Kannapolis is investing pretty solidly into its downtown, pretty sure I read they want a downtown baseball stadium, etc.
Just completely not anywhere near as transformational as whats happening in Raleigh or CLT. And not just due to them being larger. But due to these 2 cities along with a few others around the country (Nashville, Austin, Denver, Des Moines, etc.) literally undergoing impressive transformations.
EDIT: That said. I appreciate the links you are providing as I do find it enjoyable to see Greenville's projects. Although I think even downtown Davidson, Huntersville and Cornelius are much more impressive, much higher quality and much more transformational. Much more retail, amenities, also civic centers, etc. A few of those projects you posted would never be allowed to be built in these respective downtowns except that ECU building
LOL...truly laughable. The Concord link you provided showed a "plan" that involved getting a bunch of other investors, the Links I provided are actual construction or projects breaking ground, projects that are FUNDED, None of those other communities have articles showing they have $500 million downtown going on, because they don't...if they did, you could provide a link. And FWIW, I never compared downtown Raleigh to downtown Charlotte, I really dont think there is any comparison there
LOL...truly laughable. The Concord link you provided showed a "plan" that involved getting a bunch of other investors, the Links I provided are actual construction or projects breaking ground, projects that are FUNDED, None of those other communities have articles showing they have $500 million downtown going on, because they don't...if they did, you could provide a link. And FWIW, I never compared downtown Raleigh to downtown Charlotte, I really dont think there is any comparison there
It would’ve made a lot more sense comparing downtown Raleigh to uptown Charlotte.
I also don’t feel like providing links to projects in all the towns and communities growing like Greenville is. It’s not that important to me. If you need links to the number of units or the exact dollar amounts to prove how transformational it is, then that’s what it must take.
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