Should NYS be split into two states? (New York, Sullivan: 2014, home)
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Oh no, you're not still in New York? You've got to get out of that God awful state just like we did. There's nothing like the taste of freedom. Not having to be ruled over by all those dictatorial idiots and the sheep that keep them in power.
He can't leave. He can't find a good job in any of those "freedom loving" states.
Because it's NOT only people in NYC who want reasonable gun laws! There are lots of people in Upstate NY who don't want nutcases being able to easily get pistols. There are lots of people in Upstate who don't think that this state should become an armed war zone with people trotting around with various semi-automatic weaponry. If you can pass a federal background check, you don't have any problem buying sporting guns in NYS. Furthermore, NYC rules for owning hand guns and other weapons don't apply to Upstate since these are set at the city or county level. Getting a pistol permit anywhere in Upstate is a whole lot easier than in NYC, and it's even easier in most of the rural Upstate counties. You have to take a licensing course, pass a background check, and present references. Whoopty-doo.
Yeah, that pesky ol' 2nd Amendment and all. Here is my point. Are there bad people with guns? Absolutely. But there are many more who have not committed a crime with a gun, and use common sense around their firearms. So, where is the logic in making law abiding citizens jump through a bunch of hoops who have done no wrong, when the crazies and the criminal types don't abide by those laws in the first place? As for semi-automatic weaponry, what would meet your approval? A musket? I find it absolutely astounding that you need a freakin' permit to exercise your 2nd Amendment rights, or protect your household, because a bunch of bureaucrats think that they know what's best! What I also find idiotic is my friend that owns property in New York state, has his CCW here in Ohio, but is prohibited from bringing his handgun into your state, because your state does not recognize his license to carry. My friend is ex-military, and because he also got his CCW and went to a class to obtain it, if anyone knows the ins and outs on how to safely handle a firearm and when NOT to use one it's him! In fact the majority with conceal carry permits aren't the ones likely to go crazy, and shoot up a public place or do a drive by shooting, and tend to have cooler heads and common sense when it comes to guns.
That's not unusual. When I went to grad school in Nebraska years ago, most people I met thought that all of NYS was one giant city like NYC.
The fact is that most states are diverse unless they're so small that they can't be like Rhode Island or maybe Delaware. Memphis, TN and environs are very different from the eastern part of the state around Knoxville, not just in geography but in culture as well. Western Nebraska has much more in common with Wyoming than it does with the Omaha/Lincoln area. New Mexico is divided into the eastern part that's much like West Texas and the western part with is largely Hispanic and Indian. The flat lake plains area of northern Ohio with its old Rust Belt cities like Cleveland and Toledo isn't all that similar to the much hillier and more rural area of southern Ohio.
You are right about that. In fact, we always joke about Ohio essentially being 2 different states. There is Cleveland, and the rest of Ohio. We also joke, and say that Cincinnati might as well be part of northern Kentucky. My neighbor grew up in the city of Cleveland. Where we live is south of the Ohio turnpike, in which one of the suburbs I grew up in was also south of the turnpike. He always jokes that he considers anything south of the turnpike southern Ohio.
As an outsider (I'm from Ohio) who has been to a few different regions in your state in my lifetime, such as the Buffalo/Niagara Falls area, the Adirondacks when I was a kid(which I truly consider to be upstate), NYC area in 2001-2002, and most recently along the Southern Tier near the Finger Lakes region (going back this Friday BTW and don't consider it upstate), which is very rural, there is indeed a sentiment amongst those in that area that they wish that NYC and Long Island were a separate entity. Well... that's putting it nicely. One of the locals we talked to harped about the goofy gun laws that you folks have, because of the political influence from the city, and he said that many of the sheriffs in those rural counties refuse to enforce those laws. I tend to agree with those folks. Why should they be subjected to the whims of those in NYC? What works in NYC does not necessarily mean it will work in other areas. I had a great time when I was in the city, but given all of the silly nanny state laws that have been, and are being implemented, I really have no desire to go back.
Out here in Arizona permits are not required to carry either openly or concealed. Guess what? People are not just blowing each other away over stupid little incidents. At least not any more than in state's with more restrictive gun laws. The way I see it is the "Constitution" is the "Constitution" regardless of where one lives. It's protections should apply to all Americans. This nation was indeed formed as a "Constitutional Republic". All government officials are sworn to uphold it "so help them God". The purpose of the "Constitution" is to protect all of our civil liberties from an oppressive dictatorial government of which New York has. That is the whole reasoning behind the 2nd Amendment in the first place. Those who wish to abolish it wish to enslave us all to their Left wing ideology. It really has nothing to do with crime or the prevention of mass murder. As Timothy McVeigh proved you do not need guns to carry out mass murder. Leftist know that their socialist philosophy provides the lowest standard of living for those who are forced to live under it. People will indeed want to revolt. No 2nd Amendment, no way to revolt. It really is that simple.
Yeah, that pesky ol' 2nd Amendment and all. Here is my point. Are there bad people with guns? Absolutely. But there are many more who have not committed a crime with a gun, and use common sense around their firearms. So, where is the logic in making law abiding citizens jump through a bunch of hoops who have done no wrong, when the crazies and the criminal types don't abide by those laws in the first place? As for semi-automatic weaponry, what would meet your approval? A musket? I find it absolutely astounding that you need a freakin' permit to exercise your 2nd Amendment rights, or protect your household, because a bunch of bureaucrats think that they know what's best! What I also find idiotic is my friend that owns property in New York state, has his CCW here in Ohio, but is prohibited from bringing his handgun into your state, because your state does not recognize his license to carry. My friend is ex-military, and because he also got his CCW and went to a class to obtain it, if anyone knows the ins and outs on how to safely handle a firearm and when NOT to use one it's him! In fact the majority with conceal carry permits aren't the ones likely to go crazy, and shoot up a public place or do a drive by shooting, and tend to have cooler heads and common sense when it comes to guns.
Out here in Arizona permits are not required to carry either openly or concealed. Guess what? People are not just blowing each other away over stupid little incidents. At least not any more than in state's with more restrictive gun laws. The way I see it is the "Constitution" is the "Constitution" regardless of where one lives. It's protections should apply to all Americans. This nation was indeed formed as a "Constitutional Republic". All government officials are sworn to uphold it "so help them God". The purpose of the "Constitution" is to protect all of our civil liberties from an oppressive dictatorial government of which New York has. That is the whole reasoning behind the 2nd Amendment in the first place. Those who wish to abolish it wish to enslave us all to their Left wing ideology. It really has nothing to do with crime or the prevention of mass murder. As Timothy McVeigh proved you do not need guns to carry out mass murder. Leftist know that their socialist philosophy provides the lowest standard of living for those who are forced to live under it. People will indeed want to revolt. No 2nd Amendment, no way to revolt. It really is that simple.
To the bolded... nothing more needs to be said. Oh, and I will say this... if they ever did an end around against the 2nd, or flat out repealed it, things will get very ugly in this country really quick!
It's really sad that New York has some goofy laws. Like I said, I've been up there a few times this year, and going back on Friday. It's really some beautiful country up there, and despite some of the nanny state BS, it really is a good time. Get this....on past trips up to the property we've done plenty of target shooting. Again, it's remote, so therefore; nobody is at risk of a stray bullet. At any rate, this weekend we will not be able to shoot, because apparently you're not allowed to target shoot outdoors during hunting season...ON YOUR OWN DAMN PROPERTY MIND YOU! If caught doing so the game warden can confiscate all your weapons!
He can't leave. He can't find a good job in any of those "freedom loving" states.
In the past I turned down quite a few jobs in "free" states, back then for family reasons. Getting a job is not my worry at all. Giving up everything I have invested in this one though is a different story. Ten years ago when I came close, I didn't have as much to lose as I do now.
Just ask all those south of Sullivan and south of all but the northern fringe of Dutchess (like, where most of the population is) whether they want to join this "Upstate" thing. Hah!
Go ahead, and try it. Lol.
This is just crazy talk. Positively nutty.
(And I'm not even adding in all those "liberal" more densely populated pockets of kooks like me up there in the art communities, Finger Lakes, college towns, Saratoga, etc.)
Just ask all those south of Sullivan and south of all but the northern fringe of Dutchess (like, where most of the population is) whether they want to join this "Upstate" thing. Hah!
Go ahead, and try it. Lol.
This is just crazy talk. Positively nutty.
(And I'm not even adding in all those "liberal" more densely populated pockets of kooks like me up there in the art communities, Finger Lakes, college towns, Saratoga, etc.)
Well I think Sullivan County is generally considered to be the cutoff for upstate
And interestingly, the population center for NY is in Sullivan County
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Here is my point. Are there bad people with guns? Absolutely. But there are many more who have not committed a crime with a gun, and use common sense around their firearms. So, where is the logic in making law abiding citizens jump through a bunch of hoops who have done no wrong, when the crazies and the criminal types don't abide by those laws in the first place? As for semi-automatic weaponry, what would meet your approval? A musket? I find it absolutely astounding that you need a freakin' permit to exercise your 2nd Amendment rights, or protect your household, because a bunch of bureaucrats think that they know what's best! What I also find idiotic is my friend that owns property in New York state, has his CCW here in Ohio, but is prohibited from bringing his handgun into your state, because your state does not recognize his license to carry. My friend is ex-military, and because he also got his CCW and went to a class to obtain it, if anyone knows the ins and outs on how to safely handle a firearm and when NOT to use one it's him! In fact the majority with conceal carry permits aren't the ones likely to go crazy, and shoot up a public place or do a drive by shooting, and tend to have cooler heads and common sense when it comes to guns.
), which is very rural, there is indeed a sentiment amongst those in that area that they wish that NYC and Long Island were a separate entity. Well... that's putting it nicely. One of the locals we talked to harped about the goofy gun laws that you folks have, because of the political influence from the city, and he said that many of the sheriffs in those rural counties refuse to enforce those laws. I tend to agree with those folks. Why should they be subjected to the whims of those in NYC? What works in NYC does not necessarily mean it will work in other areas. I had a great time when I was in the city, but given all of the silly nanny state laws that have been, and are being implemented, I really have no desire to go back.
Oh, and I will say this... if they ever did an end around against the 2nd, or flat out repealed it, things will get very ugly in this country really quick! 
