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Old 02-02-2013, 08:49 PM
 
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A person could be the most skilled and masterful NASCAR driver superstar to ever grace a driver's seat, and it would still not make it any safer for that person to go 95 mph on a public highway. Car races are confined to a track isolated from general traffic, the general public and obstacles. That's why it's no big deal for them to go 95.
You failed to read much of the qualifying statements in that. Ever driven out West much? Roads look like this: PictureYou'll see the car ahead of you 5 miles before you get there. Not much dangerous there for anyone whether you're going 60 or 200.

Additionally, the Germans would rather disagree with you about the dangers of allowing high speed driving. For that matter, so would Montana. It's rather little known that their driving fatalities doubled when they reinstituted a speed limit from what had been an all time low with no speed limit.

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At 95 (even 85 and 90) you start to lose steering & handling and the car starts getting drifty. At least, you don't have as good control as when you're going 70 or 80.
Not in any sort of vehicle that is actually designed to go that quickly (which these days, is pretty much anything not a SUV/Minivan). For that matter, Texas now has a road with a 85mph speed limit, and various parts of the west are at 75-80mph.
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Old 02-02-2013, 09:37 PM
 
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I understand what you're saying about a bleeding loved one on the brink of death, but that's kind of taking things too far, I think. If someone were really in that position, they would call an ambulance. And I don't even think ambulances go 95 mph.
Ambulances can go slow because they've got paramedics in the back who can stabilize the patient. Having waited significant amounts of time for an ambulance in the past, if I was in a position where driving slow would result in someone's death, I'd figure waiting for an ambulance would likely ALSO result in their death. This is a pretty unlikely situation mind you, but in principle if the choice is between someone's certain death and driving 95mph, I'm driving 95mph.

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At 95 (even 85 and 90) you start to lose steering & handling and the car starts getting drifty. At least, you don't have as good control as when you're going 70 or 80.
Depends on the car. My old car did start to get light around 95, but remained controllable up to its top speed. My current car doesn't get light. Of course at 95mph you have less time to react than at 70 or 80mph, but it's a matter of degree, not kind. In general speed is a continuum; there's nothing magic about 55, 95, or even 105 which makes anything below it "safe" and anything above it "deadly". I wouldn't recommend trying to thread through 45mph traffic at 95mph unless a life was on the line, but doing 95mph on a divided highway when there isn't any traffic is only moderately dangerous.
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Old 02-03-2013, 03:35 AM
 
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Ever driven out West much?
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if the choice is between someone's certain death and driving 95mph, I'm driving 95mph.
Neither scenario pertains to the OP, or has any bearing on what the OP did - drive 50 MPH over the stated legal limit in a construction zone on the GSP

Why not include "If you are driving at Talledega" or "95 is slow on the Bonneville Salt Flats" or "the Autobahn has no limit" or any other strawman scenario?

Ambulances and police cars that drive that fast also have those silly lights and sirens that alert other drivers around them to move out of the way and clear the road ahead of them.

One guy in his car driving 50 MPH faster than the flow of traffic will need to do a lot of weaving from lane to lane through other cars or do a lot of heavy tailgating, repeatedly hitting the brakes and re-accelerating as unaware divers look to move over into other lanes. Add in the fact that often these cars will need to react quickly to this car coming up unannounced in their rear view mirror, and the potential for an accident increases.
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Old 02-03-2013, 04:23 AM
 
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[ if the choice is between someone's certain death and driving 95mph, I'm driving 95mph.


i understand exactly what your saying ,but that still doesnt give you the right to put others in danger

even if your driving 95 in a 65 zone your still breaking the law and putting others in danger


now put yourself in this position ,your doing your 65 mph on the highway and someone comes up on your tail ,is your first thought ,oh maybe this guy has a wounded or seriously ill person in his car ,let me get out of his way?


or is your first thought ,who the hell is this ahole driving on my a@@
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Old 02-03-2013, 05:16 AM
 
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95mph is a ridiculous rate of speed no matter what the speed limit says. It's people like you that put everyone else's lives in danger. If it were up to me I wouldn't charge you any fines, I'd have you locked up.
Really? You would throw speeders in jail?? wtf is with people's logic. If you are that offended by speeders, wouldn't community service be better? I fail to see how throwing someone who speeds into a prison with violent criminals and sex offenders is a good idea. And you can bet that this once employed and productive individual will never be able to get good employment again which has a trickle down effect that you probably can not comprehend.
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Old 02-03-2013, 07:14 AM
 
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When I first saw this thread was 3 pages long I figured somebody resurrected an old thread from several years ago asking a new question.
Anyway 95 mph on the GSP is not that unusual. I bet the staties do that whenever they please. About 5 years ago I got one for 94 in Monmouth County just driving to work on a regular day with a halfway decent car.

Now I'm not saying this will work for you, but I walked in, not guilty, everybody did the one on one chat with the prosecutor, I told him I wasn't even moving at all, told him I was sitting still and the earth was rotating beneath me at 94 mph. Luckily he was in a decent mood, wouldn't dismiss the thing down to something like obstructing traffic but offered to knock it down to the 2 point speed level.

They usually do offer to knock it down to the 2 point speed level at least. Good luck.
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Old 02-03-2013, 08:00 AM
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This thread has turned into another of those how many stupid things can I say to justify speeding.

Facts,

NASCAR drivers are not immune to road crashes.

Autobahn drivers are killed just as frequently as drivers on American roads.

Driving 100+ MPH on a highway requires zero driving skills.
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Old 02-03-2013, 08:04 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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When I first saw this thread was 3 pages long I figured somebody resurrected an old thread from several years ago asking a new question.
Anyway 95 mph on the GSP is not that unusual. I bet the staties do that whenever they please. About 5 years ago I got one for 94 in Monmouth County just driving to work on a regular day with a halfway decent car.

Now I'm not saying this will work for you, but I walked in, not guilty, everybody did the one on one chat with the prosecutor, I told him I wasn't even moving at all, told him I was sitting still and the earth was rotating beneath me at 94 mph. Luckily he was in a decent mood, wouldn't dismiss the thing down to something like obstructing traffic but offered to knock it down to the 2 point speed level.

They usually do offer to knock it down to the 2 point speed level at least. Good luck.
Yeah I got caught going 98 on Route 3 at 1:00 am. I didn't have a lawyer, but they did significantly reduce the points and speed. Can't remember how much exactly.
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Old 02-03-2013, 08:45 AM
 
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even if your driving 95 in a 65 zone your still breaking the law and putting others in danger
If I'm driving 66 in a 65, I'm breaking the law. If I'm doing 65 in a 65, I'm still "putting others in danger" just by being there. The speed at which I'm statistically adding the least danger is actually somewhat above the flow of traffic in most cases (and the flow of traffic is generally above the speed limit). I don't worship a number on a sign set by a politician somewhere who either takes limos everywhere or gets state police escort to do 95+mph.

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now put yourself in this position ,your doing your 65 mph on the highway and someone comes up on your tail ,is your first thought ,oh maybe this guy has a wounded or seriously ill person in his car ,let me get out of his way?


or is your first thought ,who the hell is this ahole driving on my a@@
My first thought is I'm going too slow. But if he's on my a@@ he's doing it wrong, unless I'm in the leftmost lane and forming part of a rolling roadblock.
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Old 02-03-2013, 09:33 AM
 
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MVC is going to surcharge you. If you get 6 points or more within 3 years, you get surcharged. That is separate from your insurance raising your rates. I honestly have no idea how much the surcharges are, but I would guess they are not cheap.

Driving that fast may have seemed like a good idea to you at the time, but your wallet will ultimately pay the price.
the surcharge is 150 dollars a year until you are under 5 points.
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