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Old 06-03-2019, 08:54 PM
 
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It wasn't meant to. It is setting up something that will (hopefully) continue in future movies. Complaining that her character wasn't fully developed in this movie is like complaining that Luke didn't become a full-fledged Jedi in the first STAR WARS flick. They're building something. This was a first step, but it wasn't meant to be the destination.

This is exactly how you build a movie franchise. You tell a great story with a beginning, middle, and end, but you also lay the groundwork for future movies. Marvel has done this quite successfully.
Maybe I should put some context into it. Zhang Ziyi is the most famous Chinese actress.
Her status in China is probably only second to Gong Li. That is why I say she is wasted. Some second tier Chinese actress can take it, if the target is Chinese market. In fact some younger actresses attract more audience.

Suppose a Hollywood star got this role, the script will be hugely modified for her.
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Old 06-03-2019, 10:54 PM
 
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‘Godzilla’ Needs Help: How the MonsterVerse Can Survive After ‘King of the Monsters’ Fizzles Out
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Old 06-04-2019, 06:34 AM
 
Location: Maine
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Maybe I should put some context into it. Zhang Ziyi is the most famous Chinese actress.
Her status in China is probably only second to Gong Li.
That may be. But in the West, she is still an admired character actress, much like Kyle Chandler and Vera Farmiga. Ken Watanabe is huge in Japan. In the US he is an admired character actor. The biggest pop culture "star" in this movie (other than Godzilla) was actually Millie Bobbie Brown. How long her star shines is anyone's guess, but she's certainly an extremely gifted young actress.

That division between Eastern and Western cinema is dissolving more and more every year, but it's still there. The biggest hurdle isn't so much that Western audiences won't accept a great Eastern movie or vice versa. It's that the two audiences still do have rather distant taste in movies, for whatever reasons. STAR WARS may be the most successful film franchise of all time in the West. The Japanese like it. It's never been particularly popular in China. Yet the MARVEL movies do really well all over the globe. Kung fu movies and Bollywood have a niche audience in the West, but they have never had mass appeal.

And never forget the Germans' love of David Hasslehoff or France's strange fascination with Jerry Lewis.
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Old 06-04-2019, 06:39 AM
 
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She makes some great points, but still manages to miss the large point of why this movie is a box office disappointment. Mickey Spillane figured this out decades ago: "Your first chapter sells your book. Your last chapter sells your next book."

The Gareth Edwards movie built up a great hype, which gave it a big box office opening, then largely failed to really excite an eager audience. So when this movie comes out ... people just aren't as excited, even though this is a far better movie.

And even as a fan who loved this movie, I still think KONG VS. GODZILLA is a mistake. Does anyone really want this? I get the impression some marketing guy looking at a spreadsheet for ideas came up with this idea.
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Old 06-04-2019, 07:59 AM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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The humans weren't bad but what the Hell? Who in their right mind thought it was a good idea to not kill Rodan but do it to Mothra? Mothra was pretty under used and she was the monster I really wanted to see.

I don't know how Godzilla got killed at the box office. mean I don't think it suffered bad reviews since Aladdin had similar review issues. It can't be Avengers since the movie came out an entire month after that scorched the Earth for most part. Instead in hearing marketing. I don't know what they could have done more. IMAX had a great feature with Avengers featuring arguably the best fight.
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Old 06-04-2019, 08:12 AM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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She makes some great points, but still manages to miss the large point of why this movie is a box office disappointment. Mickey Spillane figured this out decades ago: "Your first chapter sells your book. Your last chapter sells your next book."

The Gareth Edwards movie built up a great hype, which gave it a big box office opening, then largely failed to really excite an eager audience. So when this movie comes out ... people just aren't as excited, even though this is a far better movie.

And even as a fan who loved this movie, I still think KONG VS. GODZILLA is a mistake. Does anyone really want this? I get the impression some marketing guy looking at a spreadsheet for ideas came up with this idea.
Agreed. I'd rather see Godzilla fight some new kaiju than Kong. Why'd they fight anyway? Aren't they both human sympathizers? Unless Tywin Lannister pulls some kind of Lex Luthor crap.

I hope to see more of the mammoth ape and the other new kaijus that showed up at the end. Also more kaiju vs military action.
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Old 06-04-2019, 10:01 AM
 
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Also more kaiju vs military action.
Rodan's emergence from the volcano and subsequent swatting of fighter jets like gnats was instantly one of kaiju cinema's highlights — sixty-plus years' worth.

And that's exactly how it should be: Humans don't stand a chance against kaiju. Nukes are farts. That oxygen destroyer was akin to a bad sneeze. They're here, and we're effed. "Special of the day," indeed.
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Old 06-04-2019, 10:08 AM
 
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And even as a fan who loved this movie, I still think KONG VS. GODZILLA is a mistake. Does anyone really want this? I get the impression some marketing guy looking at a spreadsheet for ideas came up with this idea.
I don't get it, apart from it being the byproduct of studio suit skullduggery.
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Old 06-04-2019, 11:51 AM
 
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"3. Get those fight scenes out of the dark."

HAHAHA! Did she watch the movie?!

What a fluff piece. "The critics are losing patience." To hell with them.

I think the only thing that may have worked against this movie, in spite of early hype, is the five-year gap and/or the release date. Apart from that, it's everything a Godzilla movie should be.

The audience rating is 86%. That spells it out right there.
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Old 06-04-2019, 12:42 PM
 
Location: El Paso, TX
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She makes some great points, but still manages to miss the large point of why this movie is a box office disappointment. Mickey Spillane figured this out decades ago: "Your first chapter sells your book. Your last chapter sells your next book."

The Gareth Edwards movie built up a great hype, which gave it a big box office opening, then largely failed to really excite an eager audience. So when this movie comes out ... people just aren't as excited, even though this is a far better movie.

And even as a fan who loved this movie, I still think KONG VS. GODZILLA is a mistake. Does anyone really want this? I get the impression some marketing guy looking at a spreadsheet for ideas came up with this idea.
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I don't get it, apart from it being the byproduct of studio suit skullduggery.
Well, it has to be an improvement over the 1962 King kong vs Godzilla movie. That thing was terrible.


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