[Coldjensens]

Originally Posted by ram2

It's untrue Michigan restaurants have permanently closed due to Whitmer's restrictions? You need to get out in the real world and see for yourself.

That cannot be what they meant. It is extremely obvious that we have lost hundreds of restaurants. You do not even need to go anywhere to find a substantial percentage closed forever. A lot of small specialty stores went under too.

[DaniellaG]

We have had some of the strictest restrictions yet are numbers have been worse then many other states

In FL they have less Covid deaths per capita then MI. They have been fully open since the summer and have an older population

Whitmer was one of only a few governors to place the sick seniors back in the nursing homes. She was the last to change this policy

She will not give the data or now she uses the word metrics on how she determines the opening and closing of businesses

Numbers have gone way down and the vaccine is here but she still won’t fully open things here. I really feel for the bars and restaurants with such tight restrictions and the early closing. I feel for all the businesses people have worked so hard for. One person shouldn’t be able to make a choice for millions. Her reason is fear of the new strain and numbers going back up yet that will always be the fear

I read a little while ago MI has an unemployment rate higher then 38 states and something like 42% of people in MI can’t afford their basic daily needs

Like Desantis said in his news briefing people deserve to make a living and for businesses to be open. Same goes for every state. Like I said FL has less Covid deaths then MI and their economy is doing way better

So I guess I’m wondering for people who think she is doing good in what way?
Just based on what I have stated I don’t see how and there is more I could state

This has nothing to do with gender cause Cuomo has done worse

[ram2]

Originally Posted by DaniellaG

In FL they have less Covid deaths per capita then MI. They have been fully open since the summer and have an older population


I read a little while ago MI has an unemployment rate higher then 38 states and something like 42% of people in MI can’t afford their basic daily needs

Many in Michigan lack the common sense to see the damage Whitmer has done to Michigan.

Michigan's unemployment rate will soon be higher than all the other 49 states, just like it was under Granhole.

[Nattering Heights]

Can a governor be worse than Granholm? Snyder. Worse than Snyder? Whitmer. Every time for both parties, challenge accepted. There is plenty of blame for the parties, but that is also on us, the voters. Just casting a vote on election day is not enough anymore.

[beachmouse]

Originally Posted by DaniellaG

We have had some of the strictest restrictions yet are numbers have been worse then many other states

In FL they have less Covid deaths per capita then MI. They have been fully open since the summer and have an older population



Like Desantis said in his news briefing people deserve to make a living and for businesses to be open. Same goes for every state. Like I said FL has less Covid deaths then MI and their economy is doing way better

So I guess I’m wondering for people who think she is doing good in what way?
Just based on what I have stated I don’t see how and there is more I could state

This has nothing to do with gender cause Cuomo has done worse

Compare covid numbers in Florida and in Michigan from about August onward- the difference is amazing and very much in Michigan's favor. My Florida county has been unrestricted since then. We spent December and January with 20%+ positivity rates and local hospitals were having to ship ICU patients as far away as Texas and Tennessee in order to keep from being overrun.


That's the reality of DeSantis' shiny photo ops.



My parents are just about 30 days past second vaccine (far far easier for them to get vacinated in Kent County than it would have been anywhere in Florida) and I'm so looking forward to heading up there in a few weeks and pouring money into the West Michigan stores there for some retail therapy because of Michigan's better covid policies. Down here, you effectively aren't allowed to enforce a simple mask rule and having to run the gauntlet of maskless coughing dudes in the Publix produce department one too many times has soured me on other in person shopping down here.



I've got a nice premium credit card that's sitting waiting to be used in person, a couple hundred dollars budgeted to spend at the Grand Rapids REI alone and I'm so gonna enrich the Michigan economy bigly while I'm up there.

[leroythelion]

Originally Posted by ram2

Many in Michigan lack the common sense to see the damage Whitmer has done to Michigan.

Michigan's unemployment rate will soon be higher than all the other 49 states, just like it was under Granhole.

Almost every business around me is screaming for employees. It is not uncommon for fast food restaurants to stop serving because they have no staff. I think the COVID unemployment situation as reported in the news does not reflect reality. No doubt certain areas may have special circumstances that causes an unemployment spike, but I think anyone that wants to work will be able to find a job out there. The school district my wife works in has 40 openings for para-professionals (not counting teachers here) and there are no applicants. Difficult to explain.

[DaniellaG]

Originally Posted by beachmouse

Compare covid numbers in Florida and in Michigan from about August onward- the difference is amazing and very much in Michigan's favor. My Florida county has been unrestricted since then. We spent December and January with 20%+ positivity rates and local hospitals were having to ship ICU patients as far away as Texas and Tennessee in order to keep from being overrun.


That's the reality of DeSantis' shiny photo ops.



My parents are just about 30 days past second vaccine (far far easier for them to get vacinated in Kent County than it would have been anywhere in Florida) and I'm so looking forward to heading up there in a few weeks and pouring money into the West Michigan stores there for some retail therapy because of Michigan's better covid policies. Down here, you effectively aren't allowed to enforce a simple mask rule and having to run the gauntlet of maskless coughing dudes in the Publix produce department one too many times has soured me on other in person shopping down here.



I've got a nice premium credit card that's sitting waiting to be used in person, a couple hundred dollars budgeted to spend at the Grand Rapids REI alone and I'm so gonna enrich the Michigan economy bigly while I'm up there.

Today in MI are Covid deaths are still higher then FL per capita. This is from the start of Covid till now. As of last week MI I read was number 10 for highest Covid deaths

That MI Covid death rate is higher then a state that has a way older population and has been open fully in my opinion says MI is not doing something right

At least in FL the businesses will survive and people will keep their homes. In MI I feeling it’s going to be another story.

[beachmouse]

Originally Posted by DaniellaG

At least in FL the businesses will survive and people will keep their homes. In MI I feeling it’s going to be another story.

At the expense of the people and I can think of dozens of businesses down here that folded for covid reasons despite being allowed to open without restrictions.



My local school district has been 100% 'in person' all school year long. They were celebrating last week for finally getting weekly rolling daily positivity rates under 5% for the first time all year. Most parents I know are frustrated because their kids are on their 4th or 5th one week quarantine because a student in their class tested positive.


No one was ready for the first wave of covid and some states like Florida got lucky when it came to avoiding early outbreaks when no one knew best prevention or treatment practices. I'm more inclined to weigh numbers from August 1 onwards when we had more thoroughly identified best practices for treatment and prevention and then looked at how close states and municipalities came to those best practices once they were known.

[michigan lizard]

Originally Posted by DaniellaG

Today in MI are Covid deaths are still higher then FL per capita. This is from the start of Covid till now. As of last week MI I read was number 10 for highest Covid deaths

That MI Covid death rate is higher then a state that has a way older population and has been open fully in my opinion says MI is not doing something right

At least in FL the businesses will survive and people will keep their homes. In MI I feeling it’s going to be another story.

Michigan got hit hard with the deaths early on. It has moved down to 10th, and is also 10th in the country population-wise, so it's now exactly where it would be expected to be.

[DaniellaG]

Originally Posted by michigan lizard

Michigan got hit hard with the deaths early on. It has moved down to 10th, and is also 10th in the country population-wise, so it's now exactly where it would be expected to be.

The reason we got hit early with deaths was because of the nursing homes. 40% of the deaths are from that. Whitmer placed the seniors back there with Covid. Only a few governors did that Imagine if your loved one was in a nursing home. I just read today she is getting sued for accurate data on the nursing home deaths

The deaths are based on per capita so regardless of population our state is doing worse then 40 states with overall Covid deaths. I could be wrong but that is what I thought I read.

Everyone has the right to their opinion. So I understand some may feel different. I just feel a lot of mistakes have been made and continue to be made

For example why won’t she give the data and science or metrics she uses to determine her opening and closings?