9 Boston police officers arrested in connection with overtime fraud scheme (retired, finance)

[Bettafish]

Originally Posted by bostongymjunkie

This topic has already been beaten to death. The cost/benefit has been explained ad nauseum and is also available from multiple sources to anyone with an inquisitive mind. The unhappy cop haters keep rehashing it not because they care about facts and not because they know thing-one about the topics, but because they are insecure or unhappy with themselves and they falsely think pissing on cops (and probably many others) will make them feel better. Increasing base salaries to the extent necessary would not only fail to solve the problem, it would bust the budget like it's never been busted because OT will always be needed and because police officers cannot be exempt from labor laws in agencies greater than 5 employees. Police are not white collar office or administrative employees. Not to mention recruiting problems that will only be worsened. This would result in a much lower caliber officer during a time when we should be looking to go in the other direction. The endless false comparisons between private industry and public safety or other government services never cease to amaze me. Just because you got stuck in some medicore paying corporate droid office position is no reason to hate everyone who isn't.

Maybe it is because your arguments are always lousy and unconvincing?
Don't just blame others.

[bostongymjunkie]

Originally Posted by Bettafish

Maybe it is because your arguments are always lousy and unconvincing?
Don't just blame others.

I'm not the only one who has offered arguments on the topic. That said, not convincing you of something doesn't bother me in the least. haha

[bostongymjunkie]

Originally Posted by Bettafish

Don't brag before making an argument.

ALL professionals have similar issues as you said. It is not uncommon for people in IT, and finance...to work after hours or on holidays. They have a relatively high base salary, and work OT for FREE.
Those who have more achievements than others receive more merit-based bonuses.

Who told you base salaries have to be "universal"? in my company, every new employee has a different starting salary, based on his performance on interview and things on his CV.

So if a cop solved more cases and caught more criminals, he can receive a big bonus.
Note an achievement does not have to be something very significant. A department can define it.
Problem solved.

This one statement reveals how totally clueless you are about what police patrol officers do, or what you're talking about. So why would you know anything about compensation and budgeting? You want cops paid based on the number of arrests they make? And this is supposed to be a reform strategy? Besides the fact that it reveals how little you know about patrol officers duties. They don't generally "solve cases" they patrol and respond to calls.

[Bettafish]

Originally Posted by bostongymjunkie

I'm not the only one who has offered arguments on the topic. That said, not convincing you of something doesn't bother me in the least. haha

That's fine.
Just to remind you ALL countries in the world have police officers. It is nothing too special.
Many of the problems are caused by the system.

For example, in China the labor law clearly states government employees must not have overtime pay. Paid OT is strictly illegal.
(Not to say China has the best policy, just to let you know the alternatives.)

[Bettafish]

Originally Posted by bostongymjunkie

This one statement reveals how totally clueless you are about what police patrol officers do, or what you're talking about.

When people can't make a real argument, they say things like this: empty statement.

[bostongymjunkie]

Originally Posted by Bettafish

When people can't make a real argument, they say things like this: empty statement.

Of course it's empty to you. You are comparing a police officer to an office worker. Duh.

[Bettafish]

Originally Posted by bostongymjunkie

Of course it's empty to you. You are comparing a police officer to an office worker. Duh.

And you failed to argue why we can't in this case.

[bostongymjunkie]

Originally Posted by Bettafish

That's fine.
Just to remind you ALL countries in the world have police officers. It is nothing too special.
Many of the problems are caused by the system.

For example, in China the labor law clearly states government employees must not have overtime pay. Paid OT is strictly illegal.
(Not to say China has the best policy, just to let you know the alternatives.)

Yes, we should be taking lessons from a country that is one of the biggest human rights abusers in the world. Okay. All done with you. And not going to rehash all the arguments already been made here. Do some research rather than reflaming this topic every few months.

[Bettafish]

Originally Posted by bostongymjunkie

Yes, we should be taking lessons from a country that is one of the biggest human rights abusers in the world. Okay. All done with you. And not going to rehash all the arguments already been made here. Do some research rather than reflaming this topic every few months.

What is the connection between human rights and OT of government employees?
I know logic is not your strength but this is still quite ridiculous.

Also China is just an example. In Japan, according to a survey in 2018, 54% government employees have to work 20 hours OT or more every week. And there is no compensation for that.

[massnative71]

Originally Posted by Bettafish

Don't brag before making an argument.

ALL professionals have similar issues as you said. It is not uncommon for people in IT, and finance...to work after hours or on holidays. They have a relatively high base salary, and work OT for FREE.
Those who have more achievements than others receive more merit-based bonuses.

Who told you base salaries have to be "universal"? in my company, every new employee has a different starting salary, based on his performance on interview and things on his CV.

So if a cop solved more cases and caught more criminals, he can receive a big bonus.
Note an achievement does not have to be something very significant. A department can define it.
Problem solved.

Not even an attempt to answer my question? Wow. Nobody here asked anything about some totally irrelevant apples to oranges comparison, such as IT or finance workers. This is strictly about emergency services ie. police, fire/EMS, etc. in the public sector. If you can't put together an informed argument for even the most elementary of issues to contend with, then I have no reason to believe you will be capable of answering the far more complex issues around your proposal.