Coronavirus in Massachusetts (weddings, live, stats)

[tribecavsbrowns]

Originally Posted by suzy_q2010

What I said is that healthy immune systems produce cytokines in response to infections. Do you have a scientific source that states otherwise?

Do you have any basis for saying "if you can produce cytokines in response to infections, your immune system is healthy?" Because that's what you're actually arguing.

All I was arguing is healthy people rarely had serious outcomes from Covid even at its height, and even less so now. Which is true.

[jbgusa]

Originally Posted by tribecavsbrowns

Do you have any basis for saying "if you can produce cytokines in response to infections, your immune system is healthy?" Because that's what you're actually arguing.

All I was arguing is healthy people rarely had serious outcomes from Covid even at its height, and even less so now. Which is true.

Exactly. It's too bad that hysteria built to such a crescendo that even serious people were taking foolish actions and inaction "out of an abundance of caution." We blew up childrens' education for absolutely no reason. We denied people proper weddings, funerals and childbirths in order to put the population into solitary confinement.

[suzy_q2010]

Originally Posted by tribecavsbrowns

Do you have any basis for saying "if you can produce cytokines in response to infections, your immune system is healthy?" Because that's what you're actually arguing.

All I was arguing is healthy people rarely had serious outcomes from Covid even at its height, and even less so now. Which is true.

You can rearrange the words in my statement if you wish, but what you are claiming I mean is not what I said.

Production of cytokines is a normal part of the function of the immune system in response to infection.

About 6% of covid deaths happen in people with no known health problems. That is not rare.

[tribecavsbrowns]

Originally Posted by suzy_q2010

You can rearrange the words in my statement if you wish, but what you are claiming I mean is not what I said.

Production of cytokines is a normal part of the function of the immune system in response to infection.

About 6% of covid deaths happen in people with no known health problems. That is not rare.

And 99.4% of infections do not result in death (per the CDC). Therefore, using the two probabilities, we see that less than 4 in 10,000 infections result in a person with no known health problems dying.

What would that number have to be for you to call it rare, suzy? 2 in 10,000? 1 in 10,000? 1 in a million? 1 in a trillion?

Or are you going to continue to refuse to call it rare, regardless of actual data and statistics, because your agenda demands that you do so?

[suzy_q2010]

Originally Posted by tribecavsbrowns

And 99.4% of infections do not result in death (per the CDC). Therefore, using the two probabilities, we see that less than 4 in 10,000 infections result in a person with no known health problems dying.

What would that number have to be for you to call it rare, suzy? 2 in 10,000? 1 in 10,000? 1 in a million? 1 in a trillion?

Or are you going to continue to refuse to call it rare, regardless of actual data and statistics, because your agenda demands that you do so?

Six percent is 6 in a 100 deaths. That is not rare.

[tribecavsbrowns]

Originally Posted by suzy_q2010

Six percent is 6 in a 100 deaths. That is not rare.

Your original statement:

"People with perfectly healthy immune systems get covid. Some of them die."

My response, it's really, really rare for someone with a perfectly healthy immune system to get covid and die. Absolutely true. You only argue because I'm stating a fact that's inconvenient for your narrative.

[jbgusa]

Originally Posted by tribecavsbrowns

Your original statement:

"People with perfectly healthy immune systems get covid. Some of them die."

My response, it's really, really rare for someone with a perfectly healthy immune system to get covid and die. Absolutely true. You only argue because I'm stating a fact that's inconvenient for your narrative.

TO paraphrase a Passover question, "why is this virus different from all the other viruses" or "why do we have to lock down for this virus but not for all the other viruses"?

[tribecavsbrowns]

Originally Posted by jbgusa

TO paraphrase a Passover question, "why is this virus different from all the other viruses" or "why do we have to lock down for this virus but not for all the other viruses"?

Because bad people spread lies, and well-meaning people bought the lies.

[suzy_q2010]

Originally Posted by jbgusa

"why is this virus different from all the other viruses"

Because it was new and there was no pre-existing community immunity to it.

[htfdcolt]

Originally Posted by tribecavsbrowns

Your original statement:

"People with perfectly healthy immune systems get covid. Some of them die."

My response, it's really, really rare for someone with a perfectly healthy immune system to get covid and die. Absolutely true. You only argue because I'm stating a fact that's inconvenient for your narrative.

Well, I guess at least those who were downplaying it then are being consistent by downplaying it now.

I happen to know 2 "perfectly healthy" people, aged 28 and 51 respectively, who were not vaccinated and died from it. And before you say that's anecdotal, look up the stats...and use them correctly. What you want is IFR, infection fatality rate...meaning what % of those who get infected died before vaccines, not what % of the population at large died from it.