Coronavirus in Massachusetts (theater, moving, office)

[jbgusa]

Originally Posted by P Larsen

Unfortunately, that's a feeling, but not a fact.

So, lock down?

[massnative71]

Originally Posted by jbgusa

So, lock down?

Where did anybody say anything about a lock down? At this point you are doing nothing but derail.

[jbgusa]

Originally Posted by massnative71

Where did anybody say anything about a lock down? At this point you are doing nothing but derail.

What remedies do you propose? Having everyone walk around like men on the moon?

[msRB311]

Originally Posted by P Larsen

Unfortunately, that's a feeling, but not a fact.

how? Millions of people got covid and recovered.

[redplum33]

Originally Posted by msRB311

how? Millions of people got covid and recovered.

Millions died. Many more have long covid.

[htfdcolt]

Originally Posted by justyouraveragetenant

They conditioned people to give up bodily autonomy with masks and vaccine mandates. People in general did not revolt when they said jump people said how high?

No, that came much later...June 24, 2022 to be exact...and nothing to do with Covid, sadly.

[MrDee12345]

Originally Posted by msRB311

In the beginning of the pandemic I think people had a right to be scared. No one knew what the virus was capable of and it did kill older and immunocompromised people. As time went on though people started to realize that for most it was like a cold or a flu. Even today I still see people wearing masks in many different places (and outdoors) so I guess some people really don't want to get this. To me it doesn't seem much different than a cold or flu. I don't want to get any of those things. I think people should be allowed to have their own opinions about the virus at this point and not be mad at others about it.

My view from the beginning of the pandemic until now changed very little: Once the vaccines came out, we had to return to normal. When that didn't happen in many places.

I also realize hindsight being 20/20, it's hard to be too critical of people making decisions at that time.

I also won't make the lazy argument that regulation were put in by politicians who just wanted to control us...for the most part. If you remember there were street protests in Hong Kong before the pandemic started, and we don't hear much about them anymore. Clearly the Chinese use covid to their advantage, and I'm sure a few other countries, but I think most politicians were doing the best they had with the information available to them.

But that being said, lockdowns and scare tactics lasted way too ****ing long. By March of 2021, people were getting vaccinated, and people were showing signs of natural immunity. I think politicians were afraid to open up too much because they might get blamed for a spike in covid deaths. I think the general public was whipped up into a frenzy by the overzealous media, so politicians were scared to open up too much for fear of backlash. Like a lot of things in government, they had to pick their battles.




*I should note that although I am a Mass native, I live in Malaysia and spent covid in here with FAR, FAR stricter controls than even the stricted US state. I wasn't even allowed in for the birth of my daughter in December 2021. Hell, even leading up to her birth and our IVF appointments, we were required to carry a letter with us from the hospital so we could travel more than 10 km from our apartment.

[jbgusa]

Originally Posted by redplum33

Millions died. Many more have long covid.

So, lock down?

Originally Posted by htfdcolt

No, that came much later...June 24, 2022 to be exact...and nothing to do with Covid, sadly.

What happened that date?

Originally Posted by MrDee12345

But that being said, lockdowns and scare tactics lasted way too ****ing long. By March of 2021, people were getting vaccinated, and people were showing signs of natural immunity. I think politicians were afraid to open up too much because they might get blamed for a spike in covid deaths. I think the general public was whipped up into a frenzy by the overzealous media, so politicians were scared to open up too much for fear of backlash. Like a lot of things in government, they had to pick their battles.

I totally agree with that. Our synagogue reopened in Fall 2021, then went remote again in December 2021 with the Moronicron Variant scare, only fully reopening again during Fall 2022. People just weren't psychologically ready to go back to normal yet. By now, people have just "had enough." From my reading of The Great Influenza: The Story of the Deadliest Pandemic in History by John M. Barry, the last deadly pandemic, the Spanish Flu in 1917-1920 ended much the same way; when people felt that restrictions had outlived their value.

I am amazed that people fell for this with Covid, given the relative mildness compared with the Spanish Flu. Parenthetically, one of my maternal great-grandfathers died on it in 1918 or 1919.

[justyouraveragetenant]

Originally Posted by MrDee12345

I also won't make the lazy argument that regulation were put in by politicians who just wanted to control us...for the most part. If you remember there were street protests in Hong Kong before the pandemic started, and we don't hear much about them anymore. Clearly the Chinese use covid to their advantage, and I'm sure a few other countries, but I think most politicians were doing the best they had with the information available to themt.

It's not a lazy argument they wanted us to follow the rules but they themselves did not like the California governor going out to eat. It was Nancy pelocy getting her hair done without a mask. The hypocrisy and motive was obvious.

[justyouraveragetenant]

Originally Posted by jbgusa

With the exception of the bolded I strongly agree with you. Vaccines are mandated for many diseases such as polio, diphtheria, typhoid, tetanus, measles, mumps and rubella. Until smallpox was declared eradicated it was mandated for smallpox. By and large, except possible for the MMR vaccine, those mandates are a good thing. Vaccine mandates need to be largely universal to have the desired effect. Otherwise I agree that the Covid strategy was overly restrictive and a fiasco.

One of the most important rights is a right NOT to put something into your body. In the UK vaccines for children for instance are recommended but not required. Health care is never one size fits all and nothing is completely safe for everyone.

As Dr zelenko said about the COVID vaccine" if you come to my house with the shot I got a different kind of shot for you" I love it!