Coronavirus in Massachusetts (Boston, Worcester: hear, drinks, range)

[brightdoglover]

Originally Posted by Taffee72

I've seen this exact same thing at a couple different convenience/gas stations, so now I only go to the place where I know the guy always wears a mask.
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Probably be a good idea to write or call the business you're not going to and tell them why they're losing your business.

[porterhouse]

The WHO now says Asymptomatic spread of coronavirus is "very rare"... Say what??

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/08/asym...-who-says.html

[bjimmy24]

Originally Posted by porterhouse

The WHO now says Asymptomatic spread of coronavirus is "very rare"... Say what??

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/08/asym...-who-says.html

Yep, this has been suspected for a while now too. Social Distancing almost completely futile. Glad we destroyed the world first though. Better safe than sorry!

[htfdcolt]

Originally Posted by porterhouse

The WHO now says Asymptomatic spread of coronavirus is "very rare"... Say what??

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/08/asym...-who-says.html

I agree, it's confusing and contradictory...but forgive me, if on the first day of Phase 2 reopening, on a spectacular weather day, if this makes me feel super optimistic!

The WHO has had issues with self-contradiction on this. They (and the CDC) were ambivalent about masks in February and March, when it's been clear from Asian behavior since the days of the original SARS was indicating that masks definitely help. The good thing is--if asymptomatic spread is negligible, then masks continue to make sense because they block droplets from passing from one individual to another.

[porterhouse]

Originally Posted by htfdcolt

I agree, it's confusing and contradictory...but forgive me, if on the first day of Phase 2 reopening, on a spectacular weather day, if this makes me feel super optimistic!

I am optimistic and apoplectic at the same time. Feels weird.

[bjimmy24]

Originally Posted by htfdcolt

I agree, it's confusing and contradictory...but forgive me, if on the first day of Phase 2 reopening, on a spectacular weather day, if this makes me feel super optimistic!

The WHO has had issues with self-contradiction on this. They (and the CDC) were ambivalent about masks in February and March, when it's been clear from Asian behavior since the days of the original SARS was indicating that masks definitely help. The good thing is--if asymptomatic spread is negligible, then masks continue to make sense because they block droplets from passing from one individual to another.

Wait a little longer for the mask info to come out. Just like everything else, they are going to pull back on that. Actually, evidence already exists the usefulness is overstated. But I understand that for whatever reason we aren't allowed to bring that up. oh well.

[robr2]

Originally Posted by porterhouse

The WHO now says Asymptomatic spread of coronavirus is "very rare"... Say what??

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/08/asym...-who-says.html

...and further in the article it notes (bolded emphasis by me):

If asymptomatic spread proves to not be a main driver of coronavirus transmission, the policy implications could be tremendous. A report from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention published on April 1 cited the “potential for presymptomatic transmission” as a reason for the importance of social distancing.

It can be up to 2 weeks for symptoms to show so someone just infected may look and feel just like someone who is asymptomatic. Basically we don't know who may have it and won't pass it around.

Remember - there is only about 6 months of experience with this virus. They learn new things everyday and will be studying it for years in order to understand how it works.

[htfdcolt]

Originally Posted by bjimmy24

Wait a little longer for the mask info to come out. Just like everything else, they are going to pull back on that. Actually, evidence already exists the usefulness is overstated. But I understand that for whatever reason we aren't allowed to bring that up. oh well.

Just going by overwhelming empirical evidence. Have you traveled to Asia in the past 10 yrs? If so, you'll see ~30% of the population wearing masks at any given time in public. It's become a habit. They've had to deal with multiple outbreaks since 2003, and I trust their studies and conclusions re: modes of communicating diseases. The problem in the West is we think of ourselves as smarter, unwilling to take a best practice from Asia of all places. And besides, Americans never want to be told what the hell to do!

[BostonMike7]

Has anyone gone to a restaurant yet?

[scorpio516]

Originally Posted by bjimmy24

Yep, this has been suspected for a while now too. Social Distancing almost completely futile. Glad we destroyed the world first though. Better safe than sorry!

Shutdowns prevented an additional 60,000,000 infections in the US alone. And 285,000,000 in China, 3,100,000 in Europe.

If we use the state's data, the shutdowns prevented 24,621,018 deaths. The last time 24 million people died needlessly, it was a whole lot worse than a couple month recession. China lost 15-20 million people between 1937 and 1945 - that lead to another 10 million people dying in a civil war.

If we use the state's data, shutdowns prevented 4,243,784 American deaths. As a percentage of population, that's around the civil war. There was a recession from 1865-67, 69-70, 73-79 and economic deflation until 1898.

A couple quarters of recession is a valid price to pay to prevent 30 years of recession.