Coronavirus in Massachusetts (motorcycles, dealer, tattoos)

[AtkinsonDan]

Originally Posted by rach5

They culled because they discovered that minks had transmitted a mutated strain to humans,with now several people infected

They could have at least tried to train the minks to socially distance first.

[BostonMike7]

I caught wind of the mink story a while ago. They didn’t feel humans were at risk at the time. Now it appears it does transmit and may be more resistant. That would seriously put a damper of the worlds efforts to roll out a vaccine if a resistant strain made it into the population.

I feel bad for the minks, and the industry, but at the same time have mixed feelings about the long term survival of the fur industry. That’s an entirely different topic though.

[NewfieMama]

Originally Posted by bohemka

What? I don't see choosing not to wear a seatbelt a right. Driving a car isn't even a right. Laws exist for many reasons, and seatbelt laws exist to save lives, limit injuries, and keep first responders and hospitals less busy.

I find your $1/month comment in poor taste. Tell that to families who have lost loved ones because their kids or friends weren't wearing their seatbelt. I'm old enough—before seatbelts became mandatory—to have lost friends because they weren't wearing their seatbelt.

If you feel like a seatbelt law is "exerting power over you," walk.

Driving a car is not a right. I'm not sure what parallel you are drawing there. I'm sorry you find my comment in poor taste. I'm also sorry your friends did not choose to wear a seatbelt and lost their lives as a result. Seatbelt laws were not mandatory when I was a child and I have had many surgeries--along with temporary paralysis--as a result of not being put in a seatbelt when I was a small child. I simply don't feel my personal experience gives me the right to tell others how to live their lives.

I don't think you understand my point about how laws enacted that affect personal freedoms are a form of "power" because it takes away a person's option to choose what is best for him/her. I understand that once a law is enacted, it's my choice to adhere to the law or risk breaking it. My initial response was really about how a person might feel that the laws that have been enacted take away personal freedom--at this point it's veered pretty far off topic, so I'm dropping it so we can stay focused on the pandemic-related discussion.

[massnative71]

When it comes the right to harm oneself as a legal adult, I think there should be some wiggle room regarding government enforcement. When you are talking about the right to harm others, it becomes much less debatable. That is where the government has a role to protect us from anarchy, and provide us the freedom to live in peace and without fear.

[AtkinsonDan]

Originally Posted by massnative71

When it comes the right to harm oneself as a legal adult, I think there should be some wiggle room regarding government enforcement. When you are talking about the right to harm others, it becomes much less debatable. That is where the government has a role to protect us from anarchy, and provide us the freedom to live in peace and without fear.

Well stated!

[NewfieMama]

Originally Posted by massnative71

When it comes the right to harm oneself as a legal adult, I think there should be some wiggle room regarding government enforcement. When you are talking about the right to harm others, it becomes much less debatable. That is where the government has a role to protect us from anarchy, and provide us the freedom to live in peace and without fear.

I agree. And I think the grey area regarding pandemic-related laws are two fold: a.) people fundamentally disagree about how harmful COVID is and b.) it's hard to measure the unintended consequences of the laws put into place (e.g. increased depression, suicide, domestic abuse, businesses failing, patients foregoing medical treatments, etc.)...basically the reasons "the cure shouldn't be worse than the disease."

I'm not saying that what we've enacted is wrong, I just understand how that gray area can lead to people feeling divided.

[msRB311]

1761 new cases today. 23 deaths.

[TheGoodTheBadTheUgly]

I really sympathize for all the small business owners that will lose their livelihoods

I can only hope that God has a special place in hell for king Charlie!

Curfews for businesses and an overnight stay-at-home advisory for residents from 10 p.m. to 5 a.m. are coming as Gov. Charlie Baker tries to put a clamp on the recent rise in coronavirus cases with a series of new executive orders that critics denounced as “nanny state” measures.

The orders take effect at 12:01 a.m. on Friday.

“The simple truth is this: too many of us have become complacent in our daily lives,” Baker said, speaking at the State House on Monday.

Baker revealed his list of “targeted measures” he said are designed to send the message that people should avoid gatherings and stay home.

https://www.bostonherald.com/2020/11...urce-confirms/

[bohemka]

Originally Posted by NewfieMama

Driving a car is not a right. I'm not sure what parallel you are drawing there. I'm sorry you find my comment in poor taste. I'm also sorry your friends did not choose to wear a seatbelt and lost their lives as a result. Seatbelt laws were not mandatory when I was a child and I have had many surgeries--along with temporary paralysis--as a result of not being put in a seatbelt when I was a small child. I simply don't feel my personal experience gives me the right to tell others how to live their lives.

I don't think you understand my point about how laws enacted that affect personal freedoms are a form of "power" because it takes away a person's option to choose what is best for him/her. I understand that once a law is enacted, it's my choice to adhere to the law or risk breaking it. My initial response was really about how a person might feel that the laws that have been enacted take away personal freedom--at this point it's veered pretty far off topic, so I'm dropping it so we can stay focused on the pandemic-related discussion.

People getting in crashes without wearing seatbelts tie up first responders and emergency rooms. It's not a simple decision that doesn't affect others. It does. And I'm sorry you went through what you did.

[porterhouse]

Perhaps listen to well respected scientists rather than clickbait...

https://www.statnews.com/2020/11/05/...-be-overblown/