Coronavirus in Massachusetts (Boston: commissions, doughnut, health insurance)

[massnative71]

Originally Posted by robr2

And one third of your favorite 'C' students are also turning down the vaccine: 30% (845) of Mass State Police employees and officers are not taking the vaccine.

I can just here the chants at the rallies: "Hands Up!! Don't Cough!!"

Eh, isn't that roughly the same as the general population? The stats among health care workers, I find more concerning.

[yesmaybe]

Originally Posted by msRB311

I am wondering if people's work will require them to get the vaccine. If they do they will have to see everyone's paperwork I guess ?

Can't force until the vaccine is fully approved. I haven't seen a timeframe so it's not anytime soon. People are going to be forced back into the office long before the FDA even thinks about fully approving it.

[msRB311]

Oh Um I didn't realize it hadn't been fully approved.

[GeoffD]

Originally Posted by msRB311

Oh Um I didn't realize it hadn't been fully approved.

Pfizer plans to submit for full approval in April. I haven't noticed a Moderna date. At this point, almost 120 million doses have been administered. By the time vaccine rationing stops being an issue, the big 3 vaccines used in the United States will all likely be fully approved for adults. Unclear about full approval for K-12 by the beginning of the public school year. Pfizer is age 16+. The others are 18+.

[redplum33]

1,880 new cases. 29 new deaths.

[redplum33]

https://twitter.com/VirusesImmunity/...59122041294856

"The B.1.351 and P.1 variants infect and replicate in mice without the need for human ACE2! These mutations are not only enhancing transmission and antibody evasion but expanding host range."

The B1.351 and P.1 variants extend SARS-CoV-2 host range to mice


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https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status...99170472173570

"Notable on the major variants: they are expanding their host network. Also B.1.1.7 into pets, + myocarditis"

Myocarditis in naturally infected pets with the British variant of COVID-19

Major coronavirus variant found in pets for first time

"That coincided with a surge of the B.1.1.7 variant in the United Kingdom. So the team looked at 11 pets: eight cats and three dogs. None of the animals had a previous history of heart disease, yet all had come down with symptoms ranging from lethargy and loss of appetite to rapid breathing and fainting. Lab tests revealed cardiac abnormalities, including irregular heartbeats and fluid in the lungs, all symptoms seen in human cases of COVID-19."

[brk330]

Originally Posted by msRB311

I am wondering if people's work will require them to get the vaccine. If they do they will have to see everyone's paperwork I guess ?

How about insurance rates?
Smokers can be charged up to 50% more for Health Insurance.

[BostonMike7]

I would think incentivizing the vaccine for the hold-outs would be a better plan than fining/punishing/restricting. You already have a group that doesn't trust the gov/science and think everything is a conspiracy, so going down a route of (government) restrictions if one isn't vaccinated sure isn't going to help things.

But with incentives ($100 to vaccinate) or private restrictions (health insurance premiums rising, or places of work requiring it) I think more and more people would go for it.

I'm sure the latter is going to rub a lot of people the wrong way.

[htfdcolt]

Originally Posted by BostonMike7

I would think incentivizing the vaccine for the hold-outs would be a better plan than fining/punishing/restricting. You already have a group that doesn't trust the gov/science and think everything is a conspiracy, so going down a route of (government) restrictions if one isn't vaccinated sure isn't going to help things.

But with incentives ($100 to vaccinate) or private restrictions (health insurance premiums rising, or places of work requiring it) I think more and more people would go for it.

I'm sure the latter is going to rub a lot of people the wrong way.

I think health insurance requirements are the way to go. Too onerous? Think again. My previous employer used to require a biometric scan for both the employee & spouse (if covered), without which I'd have had to fork over $1500 per person as a surcharge. After I left that company, I heard they started checking for cholesterol levels and nicotine use also.

If all of this was legal & tolerated, a requirement to get a Covid vaccine would seem to be a slam dunk (or else...pay a surcharge on your employer-subsidized premium).

[BostonMike7]

Originally Posted by htfdcolt

I think health insurance requirements are the way to go. Too onerous? Think again. My previous employer used to require a biometric scan for both the employee & spouse (if covered), without which I'd have had to fork over $1500 per person as a surcharge. After I left that company, I heard they started checking for cholesterol levels and nicotine use also.

My company does the same thing. I'm on my wife's plan though, so I get to miss out on the fun.