The Los Angeles Homeless Containment Thread (recommend, sprawl, pics)

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by Exitus Acta Probat

You're the one who makes the comparison, because as I've stated, you're basing your opinions on the happy hippie hobos you see on a regular basis, not the animalistic thugs we have living on our streets that attack people with deadly weapons.

And...*BOOM*...your argument just blew up.

This makes no sense. I make what comparison? You brought up Morro Bay homeless. I spend quite a lot of time in MB ... there’s no comparison between small town MB homeless problems and LA problems.

But anyway, my home base is San Diego ... right in one of the two most homeless dense areas. Previous lived years in a San Francisco homeless area. Your homeless aren’t a bit different than any big city homeless. Back up your fabrications for once.

[Exitus Acta Probat]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

I eviscerated your article and stats ... post #5211

Makes no difference where I live.

Nope. And it's fairly obvious and not at all a surprise that homeless people commit a disproportionately high number of aggravated assaults. If you lived here you'd know that.

[Exitus Acta Probat]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

This makes no sense. I make what comparison? You brought up Morro Bay homeless. I spend quite a lot of time in MB ... there’s no comparison between small town MB homeless problems and LA problems.

You missed my point. I agree that there's no comparison, which is why you don't understand what it's like to live with L.A.'s homeless. And San Diego doesn't matter either, because it's a different city with different policies.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by Exitus Acta Probat

Nope. And it's fairly obvious and not at all a surprise that homeless people commit a disproportionately high number of aggravated assaults. If you lived here you'd know that.

Until you can show the reporting criteria, that remains unproven. And living there has zip to do with it either way.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by Exitus Acta Probat

You missed my point. I agree that there's no comparison, which is why you don't understand what it's like to live with L.A.'s homeless. And San Diego doesn't matter either, because it's a different city with different policies.

1. Different city means nothing unless you can show how.
2. Different policies mean nothing unless you can show how.

Just saying sh*t doesn’t mean anything except that you can type words. You have to cite and explain.

[Exitus Acta Probat]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

1. Different city means nothing unless you can show how.
2. Different policies mean nothing unless you can show how.

Just saying sh*t doesn’t mean anything except that you can type words. You have to cite and explain.

We've been through this 1,000 times. You don't live here, so you don't get it.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by Exitus Acta Probat

We've been through this 1,000 times. You don't live here, so you don't get it.

And 1,000 x you have failed to demonstrate your opinion’s validity. Still waiting ...

[Tulemutt]

In continuance of providing actual credible, professional, research on the topic here are a few more contributions challenging the myths of homeless violence against the general public occuring at rates higher than violent crime in general.

JOURNAL ARTICLE
Criminality and Homeless Men: An Empirical Assessment

David A. Snow, Susan G. Baker and Leon Anderson
Social Problems
Vol. 36, No. 5 (Dec., 1989), pp. 532-549
Published by: Oxford University Press on behalf of the Society for the Study of Social Problems

Abstract

This paper examines the relationship between criminality and homelessness by tracking a random sample of homeless males through the police department records of a large Southwestern city over a 27-month period. When compared with data on criminality in the general population of males within the city over the same period, these data show that while the homeless have a higher overall arrest rate, the majority of offenses for which they are arrested are for public intoxication, followed by theft/shoplifting, violation of city ordinances, and burglary. The findings also suggest that criminality among homeless men varies with time on the streets and contact with the mental health system. Drawing on ethnographic data, these findings are explained in part in terms of criminalization, stigmatization, and adaptational processes. The findings challenge the depiction of homeless men as serious predatory criminals, and suggest a number of theoretical and policy implications.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/3096817...n_tab_contents

According to a National Law Center study on homelessness :

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"Homeless people commit LESS VIOLENT CRIMES than housed people. Dr. Pamela Fischer, of Johns Hopkins University, studied arrest records in Baltimore and found that homeless people were less likely to commit crimes against person or property."

https://www.csun.edu/~bashforth/155_...hsAndFacts.pdf

According to The U S Conference of Mayors Hunger and Homelessness Survey (2006) :

" The homeless are significantly less likely than housed people to commit a violent crime."

American Psychological Association, in its December, 2009, report titled "New Insights On Homelessness And Violence" stated :

"Criminal activity isn't a staple characteristic of these people,".
https://www.apa.org/monitor/2009/12/violence.aspx

Now, waiting for credible, professional rebuttal research ... not just anonymous opinions.

[Finper]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

In continuance of providing actual credible, professional, research on the topic here are a few more contributions challenging the myths of homeless violence against the general public occuring at rates higher than violent crime in general.









Now, waiting for credible, professional rebuttal research ... not just anonymous opinions.

1989?? Really??? All those articles are very old. You put too many rats in a confined space they're going to attack each other and those that cross their path. Darwins survival of the fittest. That's what LA is dealing with now in 2018. And since it's illegal to move them out of LA it's just going to get worse. LA is a pressure cooker and the future is scary there. Same with SF...

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by Finper

1989?? Really??? All those articles are very old. You put too many rats in a confined space they're going to attack each other and those that cross their path. Darwins survival of the fittest. That's what LA is dealing with now in 2018. And since it's illegal to move them out of LA it's just going to get worse. LA is a pressure cooker and the future is scary there. Same with SF...

Ok. Now your turn to prove your theory. ... Waiting.