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Its not water that will kill Vegas. It is Casinos being built everywhere and with nickel and diming Vegas is no longer good value.
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Originally Posted by WVREDLEG
You're correct. As soon as the corporate casino magnates, local governments, and favorable gaming laws create a gaming and entertainment experience that rivals Las Vegas, LV will end.
Let's see.....AC, Tunica, Indian reservations, Biloxi...dozens of major metros...Detroit, DC....every cruise ship ever built.....how many more casinos built "everywhere" are going to knock Vegas into a ghost town?
Las Vegas has not been about value for a long time--I think it is a mistake to abandon value-seeking tourists, but it isn't ending the tourism industry here anytime soon.
Gambling is almost incidental to the appeal of Las Vegas. It is the billions of dollars of capital infrastructure. While tourists frequently gamble, they are more likely to spend money on shows, upscale restaurants, and (for the 20-somethings) high end nightclubs and dayclubs.
The gambler does indeed have alternatives in AC, Tunica etc, but that's besides the point. A corporation that is holding, say, a national or worldwide sales conference might fly in 50,000 employees for the week; Tunica, Indian Reservations, Biloxi, Detroit, cruise ships etc are not reasonable options for them. One of the most important things such a conference requires is TWO massive grand ballrooms: one for plenary sessions and a second adjacent one for lunch & dinner banquets. Nashville, Toronto and a few other locations have that arrangement; most others don't. Those others would have a single massive grand ballroom for plenary sessions, but then you can't feed everyone in that same room without a break to reconfigure it from rows of chairs to tables for catering staff to serve food.
Gambling is almost incidental to the appeal of Las Vegas. It is the billions of dollars of capital infrastructure. While tourists frequently gamble, they are more likely to spend money on shows, upscale restaurants, and (for the 20-somethings) high end nightclubs and dayclubs.
The gambler does indeed have alternatives in AC, Tunica etc, but that's besides the point. A corporation that is holding, say, a national or worldwide sales conference might fly in 50,000 employees for the week; Tunica, Indian Reservations, Biloxi, Detroit, cruise ships etc are not reasonable options for them. One of the most important things such a conference requires is TWO massive grand ballrooms: one for plenary sessions and a second adjacent one for lunch & dinner banquets. Nashville, Toronto and a few other locations have that arrangement; most others don't. Those others would have a single massive grand ballroom for plenary sessions, but then you can't feed everyone in that same room without a break to reconfigure it from rows of chairs to tables for catering staff to serve food.
And an adequate and efficient airport, a well-trained hospitality staff, plenty of rooms and transportation. Plus that heatbeat.
Now, I personally can’t wait to leave, but there are plenty of good things to be said about this town. They’ve been predicting our demise since the 1970s.
Gambling is almost incidental to the appeal of Las Vegas. It is the billions of dollars of capital infrastructure. While tourists frequently gamble, they are more likely to spend money on shows, upscale restaurants, and (for the 20-somethings) high end nightclubs and dayclubs.
The gambler does indeed have alternatives in AC, Tunica etc, but that's besides the point. A corporation that is holding, say, a national or worldwide sales conference might fly in 50,000 employees for the week; Tunica, Indian Reservations, Biloxi, Detroit, cruise ships etc are not reasonable options for them. One of the most important things such a conference requires is TWO massive grand ballrooms: one for plenary sessions and a second adjacent one for lunch & dinner banquets. Nashville, Toronto and a few other locations have that arrangement; most others don't. Those others would have a single massive grand ballroom for plenary sessions, but then you can't feed everyone in that same room without a break to reconfigure it from rows of chairs to tables for catering staff to serve food.
Don't forget the quality of the rooms. Rooms at whatever star rating are just far superior to what you will find at a similar star rating in most other cities. People talk about the Hard Rock being tired and saying its about time it got sold, but those rooms are better than what you will find in most other cities 3 and 4 star hotels and at a cheap price even with resort fees. Casinos long ago realized their guests no longer think of their rooms as a place to sleep a few hours each night. Guests have lots of choices for casino resorts and a substandard room product will lose them forever. As a result even formerly bad product like the Imperial Palace got made into decent, albeit still small, rooms as part of the switch to the Linq.
Yes, it was only 30 years ago when the SW US was a lush, tropical paradise. I think they called it the Mojave rainforest.
I’m sad I missed out on this time period, wasn’t that also when they started cutting down the rain forest and shipping the timber out of state for phone books and cheap Midwest housing? I believe there is still a tribute to Las Vegas’s rainforest, they call it the Rainforest Cafe on the Strip and it honors this lost time of the city’s history.
The idea of other cities competing for tourists with the vast majority of people who choose Vegas is kind of a joke. Until those cities offer 24 hour drinking, it isn’t a competition. Until they have an entire strip of things to do and world class hotels and amenities it isn’t a competition. Unless you’re talking about Vegas losing poor people with bad standards who go to the local casino to play cheap slots in their sad home state. Gee whatever will Vegas do?! Maybe not care since those people’s money didn’t build this city. The whales did.
I’m in Vegas right now (yay), off Strip in Green Valley. I love it that locals casinos have such reasonable pricing and restaurants open until midnight even on weeknights! And 2 on weekends. Wow. In my city, suburbs have every restaurant close by 9 or at best 10 even on weekends. Despite being a much larger city than Vegas. It’s all about culture and the culture here is just better. It’s a superior city in every respect to wherever I’ve lived before and wherever I’ve visited.
Hmmm.... I should have listened more to some people here. But at the same time you have to see things yourself because wow there’s no amount of research that could have informed my view once I saw things more. We went to Summerlin today and I honestly hated it. I thought it was maybe one of the creepiest places I’ve ever seen personally and it’s off the list. For people to compare Green Valley and Summerlin, they’re nothing alike. They may both be “nice,” but they’re not similar. There’s absolutely nothing going on in Summerlin outside of downtown, which was beautiful. I did enjoy City National but only a parent or hardcore kid lover would call Summerlin nice for living.
The nicest houses, including where we went to look, are in the middle of nowhere. There’s nothing around besides more houses! No restaurants, no retail, 12 minute drive to downtown Summerlin and forever away from the Strip. It’s like Summerlin was built for people who don’t actually like Las Vegas and just want to be in Nevada? I really don’t know. I don’t get it. Apparently you have the privilege of a massive premium, multiple HOA dues, and mostly mediocre housing all so you can be in this “family friendly” area of people who don’t care about fun or entertainment. And the food is as overpriced in Summerlin as on the Strip, whereas it’s hilariously cheap in Green Valley. I thought the District was more impressive and walkable than most of downtown Summerlin.
I’d only consider Summerlin if I was renting an apartment near downtown. Otherwise it is incredibly boring, far away, and insanely poorly planned. I don’t know how “master planned” means “zero commercial anything or amenities just houses except downtown.” Yikes! I’ve never been so wrong. It was good to see though because I can tell Henderson isn’t just where my relatives live, it feels right and seems way more exciting. At least it’s close to the Strip and every restaurant in this thing is open until midnight every weekday and 2 on weekends! I had no idea GVR was so awesome but I immediately loved it. And it took about 5 minutes for my heart to sink seeing Summerlin, even just the drive and the roads, it seemed desolate and just a downright creepy vibe.
The sales agent told us her main reason for loving it, “Once I had kids we moved to Summerlin!” Umm... yeah. We are childfree so I began to understand this is one of those many things where I simply don’t get the appeal.
Hmmm.... I should have listened more to some people here. But at the same time you have to see things yourself because wow there’s no amount of research that could have informed my view once I saw things more. We went to Summerlin today and I honestly hated it. I thought it was maybe one of the creepiest places I’ve ever seen personally and it’s off the list. For people to compare Green Valley and Summerlin, they’re nothing alike. They may both be “nice,” but they’re not similar. There’s absolutely nothing going on in Summerlin outside of downtown, which was beautiful. I did enjoy City National but only a parent or hardcore kid lover would call Summerlin nice for living.
The nicest houses, including where we went to look, are in the middle of nowhere. There’s nothing around besides more houses! No restaurants, no retail, 12 minute drive to downtown Summerlin and forever away from the Strip. It’s like Summerlin was built for people who don’t actually like Las Vegas and just want to be in Nevada? I really don’t know. I don’t get it. Apparently you have the privilege of a massive premium, multiple HOA dues, and mostly mediocre housing all so you can be in this “family friendly” area of people who don’t care about fun or entertainment. And the food is as overpriced in Summerlin as on the Strip, whereas it’s hilariously cheap in Green Valley. I thought the District was more impressive and walkable than most of downtown Summerlin.
I’d only consider Summerlin if I was renting an apartment near downtown. Otherwise it is incredibly boring, far away, and insanely poorly planned. I don’t know how “master planned” means “zero commercial anything or amenities just houses except downtown.” Yikes! I’ve never been so wrong. It was good to see though because I can tell Henderson isn’t just where my relatives live, it feels right and seems way more exciting. At least it’s close to the Strip and every restaurant in this thing is open until midnight every weekday and 2 on weekends! I had no idea GVR was so awesome but I immediately loved it. And it took about 5 minutes for my heart to sink seeing Summerlin, even just the drive and the roads, it seemed desolate and just a downright creepy vibe.
The sales agent told us her main reason for loving it, “Once I had kids we moved to Summerlin!” Umm... yeah. We are childfree so I began to understand this is one of those many things where I simply don’t get the appeal.
Once people have lived in Las Vegas a while they appreciate the solitude and peacefulness of Summerlin. From my home I’m 15 minutes to the WYNN via Summerlin Parkway. The Green Valley area of Henderson is much more commercialized, if that’s your thing.
Yes, that’s my thing! Haha I can get if you work on the Strip and your life is crazy day to day, that peaceful boring vibe of Summerlin is probably a great respite from the craziness of the Strip. But working from home, I cannot imagine being stuck in a place that reminds me of the Stepford Wives. It’s like the 1950s called, they want their neighborhood back. Also umm... so that’s what locals consider the most luxurious area of the city? Uhh... I don’t know how to put this nicely, but within a mile of Nova Ridge there’s a discount thrift store, a Walmart, Arby’s, McDonalds, Dairy Queen, Taco Bell... what in the gods name is going on here?!? There’s even an IKEA! Those are literally all poor person places that the nice area of most cities wouldn’t even have. I live in a fairly average suburb of Portland, do you know where the nearest Wal-Mart is? I don’t actually, because they don’t ever put them in the nice areas or even the halfway decent areas of any city. The nearest IKEA is by a bunch of lower middle class areas because only broke college students shop at IKEA. Don’t get me wrong, I’ve bought lots from IKEA. When I had no money or standards.
So somehow I’m going to pay a premium to have the privilege of living in an area of town with some of the most ghetto chains and fast food that could be found anywhere? Yikes I seriously must be missing something because I’m baffled. The area that’s nice is about a half mile around Red Rock Casino. Everything else I saw was mundane very tightly packed houses with fast food and IKEAs around. I’ll pass.
Yes, that’s my thing! Haha I can get if you work on the Strip and your life is crazy day to day, that peaceful boring vibe of Summerlin is probably a great respite from the craziness of the Strip. But working from home, I cannot imagine being stuck in a place that reminds me of the Stepford Wives. It’s like the 1950s called, they want their neighborhood back. Also umm... so that’s what locals consider the most luxurious area of the city? Uhh... I don’t know how to put this nicely, but within a mile of Nova Ridge there’s a discount thrift store, a Walmart, Arby’s, McDonalds, Dairy Queen, Taco Bell... what in the gods name is going on here?!? There’s even an IKEA! Those are literally all poor person places that the nice area of most cities wouldn’t even have. I live in a fairly average suburb of Portland, do you know where the nearest Wal-Mart is? I don’t actually, because they don’t ever put them in the nice areas or even the halfway decent areas of any city. The nearest IKEA is by a bunch of lower middle class areas because only broke college students shop at IKEA. Don’t get me wrong, I’ve bought lots from IKEA. When I had no money or standards.
So somehow I’m going to pay a premium to have the privilege of living in an area of town with some of the most ghetto chains and fast food that could be found anywhere? Yikes I seriously must be missing something because I’m baffled. The area that’s nice is about a half mile around Red Rock Casino. Everything else I saw was mundane very tightly packed houses with fast food and IKEAs around. I’ll pass.
The area you visited is Summerlin South. Where I live is north of Downtown Summerlin and has a much more affluent vibe. Within 5 minutes of my home I have Downtown Summerlin, Tivoli Village, Rampart Commons and Boca Park. Keep in mind the Summerlin is still being developed and amenities are being added. I would encourage you to look in Summerlin north of Charleston. If you are only looking at new builds take a look at the new communities just opening/ about to open between Far Hills and Cheyenne. I think you’ll be very impressed. Summerlin Parkway makes it very quick and easy to access the resort corridor.
Phew, ok I will definitely do that! I would like to look where you’re talking about because Downtown Summerlin WAS great but that whole south area sucked. I cannot for the life of me imagine anyone would find that area affluent or nice. The houses are so tightly packed, there’s so little happening, it’s lower middle class. Maybe not for this city (I don’t know), but for America in general. Whereas the downtown looked glitzy and glamorous and upscale and more what I expected to see in general. Now you make me want to see Summerlin North, that’s where my one friend is living and his area seems way nicer. Thank you for the info!!
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A corporation that is holding, say, a national or worldwide sales conference might fly in 50,000 employees for the week; Tunica, Indian Reservations, Biloxi, Detroit, cruise ships etc are not reasonable options for them..
Never would have thought there were that many. Crazy.
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