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If you are retired and don't need a job then this is not a reason.
Well, maybe.....
A retiree may have sufficient funds to buy and live well in Las Vegas. However, with no jobs there are a variety of effects which may occur.
1) people leave town, less people means cheaper rents and a lower income class influx. Less people mean less goods and less services. Some of these services may be critical to a retiree (health, drug, medical care).
2) Long time effect of no jobs might be to increase crime as the population becomes more desparate. Retirees are perceived as victims of crimes because they would be an easy mark for a criminal, they also have the money.
just a couple of thoughts. PS. I am retired and own a house in LV which is currently rented. I will probably move there in a couple of years.
Las Vegas has several negative issues, in my opinion:
* No large, established industries outside of gaming and a government that does nothing to promote high end industries that might compete with gaming for employees. This depresses wages for the gaming industry and it a prime reason why the casinos don't want other big industries in town.
* A huge culture of corruption. Doing business in Las Vegas, especially with gaming businesses, usually involves the exchange of plain white envelopes or "favors". If you're an honest person, you'd better stay away from the gaming business and stick with US Government contracts. Organized crime is still very much in control of Las Vegas; it's only done at a much lower profile than in the 60's,70's and 80's.
* No cultural attractions outside of gaming. There are very few activities for families or underage persons. Henderson and Summerlin, two of the better Vegas suburbs, have parks for families. If you have a family in Las Vegas and/or are not interested in gambling, you probably want to live in or near one of those two suburbs. Boulder City is a really nice place, too, but it's a good 45 minute drive away from the center of Las Vegas.
* An oppressive, unresponsive government. Organized crime and the casinos run the town; you accept the family's judgement or leave. Of course, the oppression and censorship are all done under the table. It's done in a way of "you do what we want, say what we want, campaign for who we want, publish what we want, or we will make life for you very hard for you." There's not much democracy in Clark County, NV.
* Medical care is OK, but not great. You have to be really careful how you choose your doctors and hospitals. If you come here, make sure you pick your doctors and hospitals ahead of time. If you get into serious medical trouble, like a cancer diagnosis, plan on getting transportation to L.A. or Denver.
I've lived here for almost 8 years and I'm convinced now that gaming has no place in a healthy society. When I first moved here, a native told me that you become a radical temperance movement supporter the longer you live here; he was right. There's too much cash flying around gaming and very little accountability for that cash. The undocumented cash is too tempting for politicians and executives.
I know gambling, prostitution, and excessive alcohol use is going to happen; I just wish the City of Las Vegas would recognize that it has become a major metro area and they need to set strict geographical limits on where people can engage in these activities. However, with the Clark County and City governments firmly in the back pockets of the casinos and organized crime, that will never happen.
On the other hand, Las Vegas has some very positive attributes:
* The weather is fantastic, most of the time. Winter lasts, maybe, 3 weeks. July, August, and September are brutally hot, but there's nothing to shovel, which is a good thing. Have a good A/C or swamp cooler and drink lots of water. Plan activities at night.
* The golf courses are nice and some of them are affordable, particularly in the suburbs which engaged in good city planning, like Summerlin and Henderson.
* An absolutely solid power grid. If you run a business that requires good, clean power, this is the place to be. If you put solar cells on your roof, you probably won't have much of a power bill, at all.
* Lake Mead and the Colorado River is a great getaway. Red Rock, on the west side of town, is also beautiful.
* Believe it or not, the Las Vegas ski area is really good and never crowded. It's not Breckenridge, but it's a good ski area with good snow and it's cheap. They actually opened the same day as the Loveland Ski Area in Colorado this year.
* LVMPD, at least the rank and file officers, are the most talented police force any city can have. I have yet to meet a Metro officier I didn't like. They do an excellent job. If we didn't have them, things during this recession/depression could've been much, much worse.
* The excitement of New York without the crowds. You can see some of the best entertainment here. Las Vegas is a small town with big city attactions. It's not crowded like Phoenix.
Las Vegas is a diamond in the rough. It has many positive attributes, but some major negative ones. If the Feds sent a couple of dozen Rudi Gulianni type prosectors into Las Vegas to crack down on the corruption, this town would be the best place to live in no time.
Again, what is it with "financial" publications somehow making these completely bogus claims Can't see to remember at any time during the nearly 3 years here about gang violence that left 15 wounded and 3 dead like last week in DC, or the 2 dead after a huge shootout caught on TV in Chicago just the other day, or this morning with several shot in NYC.
The only crime that Nevadans have to worry about are crimes against property. Crimes against persons are a minute percentage of the activity here in the state.
Another perfect example of bogus journalism, they need to stick to finance and leave the crime reporting to UCR's.
Again, what is it with "financial" publications somehow making these completely bogus claims Can't see to remember at any time during the nearly 3 years here about gang violence that left 15 wounded and 3 dead like last week in DC, or the 2 dead after a huge shootout caught on TV in Chicago just the other day, or this morning with several shot in NYC.
The only crime that Nevadans have to worry about are crimes against property. Crimes against persons are a minute percentage of the activity here in the state.
Another perfect example of bogus journalism, they need to stick to finance and leave the crime reporting to UCR's.
This is a well known scam from Congressional Quarterly. Only reason Las Vegas rates high is that they declared car theft a violent crime. And they do that only because otherwise it would be the FBI statistics. They know they would have a hard time collecting money to tell people the FBI numbers.
NV also suffers statistically from being very urban...third most urban state in the US. What that actually means is virtually all of the states population is located in two cities. But most states dillute the relatively high crime rates of the cities with large rural and suburban populations. The end result is that Las Vegas fairs much better than does Nevada.
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Las Vegas has several negative issues, in my opinion:
* No large, established industries outside of gaming and a government that does nothing to promote high end industries that might compete with gaming for employees. This depresses wages for the gaming industry and it a prime reason why the casinos don't want other big industries in town.
* A huge culture of corruption. Doing business in Las Vegas, especially with gaming businesses, usually involves the exchange of plain white envelopes or "favors". If you're an honest person, you'd better stay away from the gaming business and stick with US Government contracts. Organized crime is still very much in control of Las Vegas; it's only done at a much lower profile than in the 60's,70's and 80's.
* No cultural attractions outside of gaming. There are very few activities for families or underage persons. Henderson and Summerlin, two of the better Vegas suburbs, have parks for families. If you have a family in Las Vegas and/or are not interested in gambling, you probably want to live in or near one of those two suburbs. Boulder City is a really nice place, too, but it's a good 45 minute drive away from the center of Las Vegas.
* An oppressive, unresponsive government. Organized crime and the casinos run the town; you accept the family's judgement or leave. Of course, the oppression and censorship are all done under the table. It's done in a way of "you do what we want, say what we want, campaign for who we want, publish what we want, or we will make life for you very hard for you." There's not much democracy in Clark County, NV.
* Medical care is OK, but not great. You have to be really careful how you choose your doctors and hospitals. If you come here, make sure you pick your doctors and hospitals ahead of time. If you get into serious medical trouble, like a cancer diagnosis, plan on getting transportation to L.A. or Denver.
I've lived here for almost 8 years and I'm convinced now that gaming has no place in a healthy society. When I first moved here, a native told me that you become a radical temperance movement supporter the longer you live here; he was right. There's too much cash flying around gaming and very little accountability for that cash. The undocumented cash is too tempting for politicians and executives.
I know gambling, prostitution, and excessive alcohol use is going to happen; I just wish the City of Las Vegas would recognize that it has become a major metro area and they need to set strict geographical limits on where people can engage in these activities. However, with the Clark County and City governments firmly in the back pockets of the casinos and organized crime, that will never happen.
On the other hand, Las Vegas has some very positive attributes:
* The weather is fantastic, most of the time. Winter lasts, maybe, 3 weeks. July, August, and September are brutally hot, but there's nothing to shovel, which is a good thing. Have a good A/C or swamp cooler and drink lots of water. Plan activities at night.
* The golf courses are nice and some of them are affordable, particularly in the suburbs which engaged in good city planning, like Summerlin and Henderson.
* An absolutely solid power grid. If you run a business that requires good, clean power, this is the place to be. If you put solar cells on your roof, you probably won't have much of a power bill, at all.
* Lake Mead and the Colorado River is a great getaway. Red Rock, on the west side of town, is also beautiful.
* Believe it or not, the Las Vegas ski area is really good and never crowded. It's not Breckenridge, but it's a good ski area with good snow and it's cheap. They actually opened the same day as the Loveland Ski Area in Colorado this year.
* LVMPD, at least the rank and file officers, are the most talented police force any city can have. I have yet to meet a Metro officier I didn't like. They do an excellent job. If we didn't have them, things during this recession/depression could've been much, much worse.
* The excitement of New York without the crowds. You can see some of the best entertainment here. Las Vegas is a small town with big city attactions. It's not crowded like Phoenix.
Las Vegas is a diamond in the rough. It has many positive attributes, but some major negative ones. If the Feds sent a couple of dozen Rudi Gulianni type prosectors into Las Vegas to crack down on the corruption, this town would be the best place to live in no time.
I have to disagree with that one. I do not gamble at all. Have never gambled. I am planning my 9th trip to Vegas right now. Unlike the other trips which were "business" (the annual NAB show), this time it is a 6 day family vacation. I am trying to figure out how we are going to do all the activities we want! These include:
1. Cirque de solis
2. Jay Leno show
3. Fab Four Show
4. Motown Hitzville show
5. One of the 2 Pack Rat shows
6. 4 Queens Comedy Club
7. Day trip to Hoover Dam and Grand Canyon
8. Adventuredome
9. New York New York
10. The Tower
11. Day trip for lunch to St George Utah
12. Mt Charleston
13. The water park (if it is open)
Obviously that does not leave any time for gambling. All the times I have been there I have had a great time and NEVER gambled. This time will be even better because our days will be free too. The other times I only had Sunday free because the convention and show took up the whole day.
I have to disagree with that one. I do not gamble at all. Have never gambled. I am planning my 9th trip to Vegas right now. Unlike the other trips which were "business" (the annual NAB show), this time it is a 6 day family vacation. I am trying to figure out how we are going to do all the activities we want! These include:
1. Cirque de solis
2. Jay Leno show
3. Fab Four Show
4. Motown Hitzville show
5. One of the 2 Pack Rat shows
6. 4 Queens Comedy Club 7. Day trip to Hoover Dam and Grand Canyon
8. Adventuredome
9. New York New York
10. The Tower
11. Day trip for lunch to St George Utah
12. Mt Charleston
13. The water park (if it is open)
Obviously that does not leave any time for gambling. All the times I have been there I have had a great time and NEVER gambled. This time will be even better because our days will be free too. The other times I only had Sunday free because the convention and show took up the whole day.
Day trip to the Canyon is a waste....you go to the West Rim, which is on the Havasu Indian Reservation and is the lowest part of the canyon. They have the Skywalk [whoopie] but it is $75 extra and you can't take pictures on it...
See if you can make your St George Trip include Zion Canyon...at least for a drive thru.
Location: Jonquil City (aka Smyrna) Georgia- by Atlanta
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Day trip to the Canyon is a waste....you go to the West Rim, which is on the Havasu Indian Reservation and is the lowest part of the canyon. They have the Skywalk [whoopie] but it is $75 extra and you can't take pictures on it...
See if you can make your St George Trip include Zion Canyon...at least for a drive thru.
Are the photos better there? I would not use the skywalk- especially if they won't let you take photos there.
Zion canyon is one of the MOST spectacular of the National Parks. FAR suiperior to the "west" rim of the GC...
IF you can schedule a REAL trip to the GC, it is well worth it....to simply see it without taking any hikes you need a full day plus.
I have been there 20 or 30 times and now can enjoy it by just driving down....looking for a while and returning...
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Can't see to remember at any time during the nearly 3 years here about gang violence that left 15 wounded and 3 dead like last week in DC, or the 2 dead after a huge shootout caught on TV in Chicago just the other day, or this morning with several shot in NYC. 
