[Hughie]

Originally Posted by LasVegasPlayer

The inside story of how owner Mark Davis moved the Raiders to Las Vegas

^^ This article shows just how dirty everyone involved was. Adelson isn't even the one exhibiting the worst behavior. It's a long magazine article but it is worth the read.

And LOL @ anyone that thinks any significant number of Raiders fans will be flying here from Oakland on a regular basis. Just like all those Rams fans did for Los Angeles? The Rams fan base was much larger than the one Oakland has. The Raiders' ticket sales are so bad they had to cover 10,000 seats up.

Half the crowd will be following the visitors. Same goes for hockey. Just another excuse to come to Las Vegas.

[LasVegasPlayer]

Originally Posted by Hughie

Half the crowd will be following the visitors. Same goes for hockey. Just another excuse to come to Las Vegas.

This absolutely won't happen, at least for the Raiders. The structure of the deal's need for PSLs makes it impossible. If they end up with 35,000 singles for home games, the Raiders would go bankrupt before this ever got off the ground. It would also defy any logical study on the Raiders' move and existing precedent. Ticket brokers aren't going to be running to pay for PSLs if nobody else is. Even then, the price of tickets would be even more outrageously expensive than the face value will already be.

I seriously doubt 8,000 people will be coming for NHL games. I'd be surprised if that number even got into the quad-digits. Again, the tickets aren't available for such a thing. The resorts don't want this either because those people will leave the property to spend all their money.

You could argue that they would sell hotel rooms but they're already 95%+ on weekends. Raising rates to balance that and scaring off typical resort customers doesn't benefit the casinos at all. It would probably hurt them.

[Hughie]

Originally Posted by LasVegasPlayer

This absolutely won't happen, at least for the Raiders. The structure of the deal's need for PSLs makes it impossible. If they end up with 35,000 singles for home games, the Raiders would go bankrupt before this ever got off the ground. It would also defy any logical study on the Raiders' move and existing precedent. Ticket brokers aren't going to be running to pay for PSLs if nobody else is. Even then, the price of tickets would be even more outrageously expensive than the face value will already be.

I seriously doubt 8,000 people will be coming for NHL games. I'd be surprised if that number even got into the quad-digits. Again, the tickets aren't available for such a thing. The resorts don't want this either because those people will leave the property to spend all their money.

You could argue that they would sell hotel rooms but they're already 95%+ on weekends. Raising rates to balance that and scaring off typical resort customers doesn't benefit the casinos at all. It would probably hurt them.

Well, we agree, that won't happen for the riders. It will happen for the visiting teams.
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[lvmensch]

Originally Posted by LasVegasPlayer

This absolutely won't happen, at least for the Raiders. The structure of the deal's need for PSLs makes it impossible. If they end up with 35,000 singles for home games, the Raiders would go bankrupt before this ever got off the ground. It would also defy any logical study on the Raiders' move and existing precedent. Ticket brokers aren't going to be running to pay for PSLs if nobody else is. Even then, the price of tickets would be even more outrageously expensive than the face value will already be.

I seriously doubt 8,000 people will be coming for NHL games. I'd be surprised if that number even got into the quad-digits. Again, the tickets aren't available for such a thing. The resorts don't want this either because those people will leave the property to spend all their money.

You could argue that they would sell hotel rooms but they're already 95%+ on weekends. Raising rates to balance that and scaring off typical resort customers doesn't benefit the casinos at all. It would probably hurt them.

I think it is time you let up. The thing is going to happen. In spite of your excellent and interesting analysis. You basically were wrong. Very, very badly wrong.

You may well have told it like you saw it. And you have lots of company...there are a whole lot of people who think this will turn out badly.

I don't agree. I think on balance it will turn out to be a very good thing. Building the strip into the world's bet entertainment venue is the task...not clearing a profit on each venture.

But time to shut up and perfect the deal. Try to minimize the screwing of the tax payers and, particularly, make sure we get the best traffic outcome possible. No small task.

But enough of the negativity. You ably pushed your position and lost. Go down gracefully and get behind making it work.

[Caltovegas]

Legends on boulder hwy is the unofficial official Raiders bar.

[calisoccer99]

If there is 13k+ Golden Knights season ticket buyers, can't imagine how many are going to buy raider season tickets I would be guessing 40k-50k

[Hughie]

Originally Posted by calisoccer99

If there is 13k+ Golden Knights season ticket buyers, can't imagine how many are going to buy raider season tickets I would be guessing 40k-50k

Have 13k paid yet, or just put down a minimal deposit?

[Dport7674]

How many of those 13k season ticket holders are scalpers?

[calisoccer99]

Originally Posted by Hughie

Have 13k paid yet, or just put down a minimal deposit?

yes they are full season ticket holders, and they are now releasing partial season tickets now. The VGK's said they plan to cap season ticket sales at 14k

[Willy702]

Originally Posted by Hughie

Have 13k paid yet, or just put down a minimal deposit?

Everyone has either paid up front or is on a monthly payment plan. No one onjust a small deposit anymore.