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Old 04-24-2010, 05:35 PM
 
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A little more than a year ago, the Township Committee in this faded factory town became the first municipality in New Jersey to enact legislation penalizing anyone who employed or rented to an illegal immigrant.

Angelina Guedes has owned a hair and nail salon in Riverside, N.J., for two years. It was nearly empty on a recent afternoon.
Within months, hundreds, if not thousands, of recent immigrants from Brazil and other Latin American countries had fled. The noise, crowding and traffic that had accompanied their arrival over the past decade abated.

So last week, the town rescinded the ordinance, joining a small but growing list of municipalities nationwide that have begun rethinking such laws as their legal and economic consequences have become clearer.

“I don’t think people knew there would be such an economic burden,” said Mayor George Conard, who voted for the original ordinance. “A lot of people did not look three years out.”



http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/26/ny...side.html?_r=1
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Old 04-24-2010, 05:39 PM
 
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Do you prefer no laws so a few random business can stay busy?

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Old 04-24-2010, 06:05 PM
 
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A little more than a year ago, the Township Committee in this faded factory town became the first municipality in New Jersey to enact legislation penalizing anyone who employed or rented to an illegal immigrant.

Angelina Guedes has owned a hair and nail salon in Riverside, N.J., for two years. It was nearly empty on a recent afternoon.
Within months, hundreds, if not thousands, of recent immigrants from Brazil and other Latin American countries had fled. The noise, crowding and traffic that had accompanied their arrival over the past decade abated.

So last week, the town rescinded the ordinance, joining a small but growing list of municipalities nationwide that have begun rethinking such laws as their legal and economic consequences have become clearer.

“I don’t think people knew there would be such an economic burden,” said Mayor George Conard, who voted for the original ordinance. “A lot of people did not look three years out.”



http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/26/ny...side.html?_r=1
No amount of economic gains could compare to the losses of intangible things taken for granted when M-13 is ruling your neighborhood.

How do you justify in your mind that millions of second class citizens in our country are a good thing? They shouldn't be second class. They're equal or they leave.
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Old 04-24-2010, 06:09 PM
 
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A little more than a year ago, the Township Committee in this faded factory town became the first municipality in New Jersey to enact legislation penalizing anyone who employed or rented to an illegal immigrant.

Angelina Guedes has owned a hair and nail salon in Riverside, N.J., for two years. It was nearly empty on a recent afternoon.
Within months, hundreds, if not thousands, of recent immigrants from Brazil and other Latin American countries had fled. The noise, crowding and traffic that had accompanied their arrival over the past decade abated.

So last week, the town rescinded the ordinance, joining a small but growing list of municipalities nationwide that have begun rethinking such laws as their legal and economic consequences have become clearer.

“I don’t think people knew there would be such an economic burden,” said Mayor George Conard, who voted for the original ordinance. “A lot of people did not look three years out.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/26/ny...side.html?_r=1
This is interesting. It is a liberal conundrum-

1. The liberal is for illegal immigration
2. The liberal hates Christianity, Catholicism in particular
3. Nearly all illegal immigrants are Catholics, who are diametrically opposed to the "values" of liberalism, yet are only endentured to those priniciples short term for financial support
4. Illegal immigrant second generation, devoid of the need for the government "spoon" and with a devout Catholic background, will oppose liberal "values".


Keep those Catholics coming in- they can't stand liberals.
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Old 04-24-2010, 06:11 PM
 
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Do you prefer no laws so a few random business can stay busy?
Do you think that it is possible to pose a discussion with a bit more complexity than one that proffers anything other than polar absolutes?

The point of the story, as well as those emanating from Prince William County in Virginia is that draconian measures lead to a hostile environment even for legal persons of hispanic descent. which lead to other negative economic impact unforeseen by those draconian measures.
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Old 04-24-2010, 06:11 PM
 
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A little more than a year ago, the Township Committee in this faded factory town became the first municipality in New Jersey to enact legislation penalizing anyone who employed or rented to an illegal immigrant.

Angelina Guedes has owned a hair and nail salon in Riverside, N.J., for two years. It was nearly empty on a recent afternoon.
Within months, hundreds, if not thousands, of recent immigrants from Brazil and other Latin American countries had fled. The noise, crowding and traffic that had accompanied their arrival over the past decade abated.

So last week, the town rescinded the ordinance, joining a small but growing list of municipalities nationwide that have begun rethinking such laws as their legal and economic consequences have become clearer.

“I don’t think people knew there would be such an economic burden,” said Mayor George Conard, who voted for the original ordinance. “A lot of people did not look three years out.”



http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/26/ny...side.html?_r=1
I guess it would have nothing, nothing at all to do with a severe recession, where thousands of illegals have gone back to where they belong.

The amount they suck from the system, HC, welfare, food stamps and other social safety nets intended for citizens pales in comparison to their value as a consumer.
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Old 04-24-2010, 06:13 PM
 
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No amount of economic gains could compare to the losses of intangible things taken for granted when M-13 is ruling your neighborhood.
M-13, the Aryan Brotherhood, the Italian Mafia, or the damned hell angels, you can change the racial make up, but where an illegal dollar can be found, someone will step in to fill the void.
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Old 04-24-2010, 06:15 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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This is interesting. It is a liberal conundrum-

1. The liberal is for illegal immigration
2. The liberal hates Christianity, Catholicism in particular
3. Nearly all illegal immigrants are Catholics, who are diametrically opposed to the "values" of liberalism, yet are only endentured to those priniciples short term for financial support
4. Illegal immigrant second generation, devoid of the need for the government "spoon" and with a devout Catholic background, will oppose liberal "values".


Keep those Catholics coming in- they can't stand liberals.
Actually, a recent poll of Hispanics and African Americans, find that they support socialist policies 75% of the time.

And, I find it kind of big brushed to just say the word "liberal" supports whatever. I know lots of liberals who are against illegal immigration, and are regular church goers.
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Old 04-24-2010, 06:18 PM
 
Location: Lafayette, Louisiana
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So, only enforce the laws you agree with and to hell with the laws you don't agree with.
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A little more than a year ago, the Township Committee in this faded factory town became the first municipality in New Jersey to enact legislation penalizing anyone who employed or rented to an illegal immigrant.

Angelina Guedes has owned a hair and nail salon in Riverside, N.J., for two years. It was nearly empty on a recent afternoon.
Within months, hundreds, if not thousands, of recent immigrants from Brazil and other Latin American countries had fled. The noise, crowding and traffic that had accompanied their arrival over the past decade abated.

So last week, the town rescinded the ordinance, joining a small but growing list of municipalities nationwide that have begun rethinking such laws as their legal and economic consequences have become clearer.

“I don’t think people knew there would be such an economic burden,” said Mayor George Conard, who voted for the original ordinance. “A lot of people did not look three years out.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/26/ny...side.html?_r=1
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Old 04-24-2010, 06:21 PM
 
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This is interesting. It is a liberal conundrum-

1. The liberal is for illegal immigration
2. The liberal hates Christianity, Catholicism in particular
3. Nearly all illegal immigrants are Catholics, who are diametrically opposed to the "values" of liberalism, yet are only endentured to those priniciples short term for financial support
4. Illegal immigrant second generation, devoid of the need for the government "spoon" and with a devout Catholic background, will oppose liberal "values".


Keep those Catholics coming in- they can't stand liberals.
Liberal conundrum, clearly immigration has historically posed a conundrum for liberals and conservatives alike.

Anyway...

1. Liberals are no for illegal immigration.

2. Liberals do not hate Christianity, especially Catholicism, since many of the most liberal social advocacy groups, abortion aside, are lead by Catholics. By the way, did you note that the Catholic Church has come out strongly against the Arizona law?

3. Catholic Church is against, social welfare programs, the death penalty, teaching evolution, other than abortion what do you have in our little house of rhetorical cards so filled with internal contradictions that a few additional sentences would send it flying off with the wind?

4. Yes, there is such an tsunami of hispanic votes for conservative causes. From what I can tell the only thing less visible at a tea party than African Americans are second, third or even fourth generation hispanics.

Anyway Part II

None of this is relevant to the thread.
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