Anyone have pictures of Americans lining up for the jobs illegals do? (license, salary)
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One point you seem to be missing - or, unaware of is, even if say you, go to an employer, apply for a job that, in your belief, is currently being held by an illegal, privacy laws would prevent that employer from disclosing anything about ANY employee. In other words, you don't have the right to "demand" anything.
As for turning around and "sueing" the employer - IMLO, you would not have standing to do so.
The proper, and legal course of action would be to file a complaint with ICE - allow them, with their legal rights to investigate the employer and the employees - and, if there are illegals employed, ICE can then take them into custody. If the employer is in say, Arizona, a complaint against the employer can then be brought.
This is America you can sue for anything. My guess is that the American would be afraid they might just get hired.
I think many of you are missing the impetus of my question(s):
Many here on forums say: "Americans will do those jobs that illegals are doing".
If so, and we have a recession now, with layoffs, etc.
1) Why not gather those hard working people (instead of crying or guarding the border) and go get those jobs?
These are aren't the kind of jobs that will be posting on Monster.com.
Because you can't force an employer to give you a job. At least not here in America. If you were an employer whose bottom line was MONEY, would you fire your low paid illegal workers to hire legal Americans or Immigrants, and pay real wages, deal with employees who know their legal rights (actually know OSHA requirements, as well as know they are allowed X number of breaks by law, and so on) and do not fear deportation if they report you for said violations?
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2) What is stopping willing Americans from seeking these companies that hire illegals, applying for their jobs, then if they don't get the job, sue that company for discrimination against Americans? Thus creating thousands of class action lawsuits, the American way...
1) Because it takes MONEY to sue. Lawyers are not free, not unless your case looks REAL good.
2) Because proving discrimination is difficult, especially if you are not a minority and the other group is a minority
3) Because lawsuits take years to resolve and your average American wants a Job not, 10 years sitting in court.
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3) Where is the "MinuteMen" type organization that actually gathers unemployed Americans to take illegals jobs, thus putting them out of work?
See #1 above. You can't force an employer to hire you.
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4) I keep hearing about "Americans were lining up for the illegals jobs", so where is the evidence of that?
I just keep hearing about companies closing their doors, because they can no longer find labor.
What sort of Evidence do you want?
Government Statistics? Those take one to three years to acquiring and another few years to debate.
News reports? It isn't going to be reported as news because "If doesn't Bleed, It Doesn't Lead". The Media doesn't even get the story.
Which of these two scenarios do you see happening?
1) An employer calling up the News Paper and saying "You know I commiting a crime by paying illegal aliens a substandard wage to work for me, but now that I have been forced to get rid of them I am now hiring Americans. And though I make less profit I still am in business."
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2) An Employer saying "Aghhhhh, I didn't know my workers were poor illegals, I can't find workers and will go out of business and my family will starve in the streets!!!"
Which one is the media more likely to report?
The only other person who can call is the legal employee. Lets look at that conversation.
"Hello, NY Times, I'd like you to report that I got a job...Hello....Hello...."
"Hello LA Times, I was hired by a place that I think used to hire illegals. Do I have proof they used to do that, Well NO.....Hello....Hello"
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5) It just seems most Americans want to sit on their hands on cry over it, when there is no evidence that illegals jobs will be replaced by Americans and we will just bring in more people from SOB legally, which in effect will achieve what exactly?
EVEN if it were true that legal workers would need to come in, Legal workers are better then illegal. We know who they are, Background Checks can be done, They fear doing anything illegal and kicked out and thus loosing the job AND benefits. They don't use other people ID. They get proper medical checks for disease. And so on.
This is America you can sue for anything. My guess is that the American would be afraid they might just get hired.
You can sue for anything, but winning is another story. Lawsuits take lawyers, and lawyers take money. An unemployed American has how much money to hire a lawyer at $50 an hour?
Actually, you have to have "Standing" in order to successfully litigate.
Yes - you could file a lawsuit. Then, the defendant would file a motion for summary judgment alleging you had no standing. Assuming their motion is affirmed, your lawsuit would be dismissed with prejudice
So what everyone is saying, is that every jobless, willing to work, American can do nothing but sit and whine about illegals taking their jobs?
No - that is not what "everyone" is saying. It IS what YOU are asserting though
Again - if you have reason to believe that an employer has hired illegal immigrants, you have the right to file a complaint - with ICE or, in the case of Arizona, with the County Attorney's office in the county where the employer is.
So what everyone is saying, is that every jobless, willing to work, American can do nothing but sit and whine about illegals taking their jobs?
Are people really that lazy?
No! WE can pass local laws. We can write to our politicians. We can patrol the borders. We can enlighten the American Public. These are all things many Americans both with and without Jobs are doing. We are NOT just sitting here whining and THAT is what scares the pro Illegal Crowd. The Days of Whining are over.
No - that is not what "everyone" is saying. It IS what YOU are asserting though
Again - if you have reason to believe that an employer has hired illegal immigrants, you have the right to file a complaint - with ICE or, in the case of Arizona, with the County Attorney's office in the county where the employer is.
There are lists upon lists of employers that hire illegals, do you know if they have all been reported to ICE?
Is that all that can be done?
MinuteMen are lawyers right, they live in expensive Orange County California...why don't they take that time and money and start sueing?
I'm glad they are working now, sorry about all they had to go through.
Did the supervisor speak spanish? That does seem terribly unfair.
Thanks for answering.
Actually, he was a supervisor, but as the % of "illegals" dramatically increased, he was expected to learn spanish as opposed to the new employees knowing or learning english. The language barrier created pressure for him to be replaced with someone who could speak spanish.
There are lists upon lists of employers that hire illegals, do you know if they have all been reported to ICE?
Is that all that can be done?
MinuteMen are lawyers right, they live in expensive Orange County California...why don't they take that time and money and start sueing?
No, all the Minutemen are not lawyers. And again - they would have no standing to litigate. Not all of the members of the Minutemen live in California. Where do you come up with this crap?
Do I know if all those on the list have been reported to ICE? Nope - I don't know.
Going through the proper legal arenas is what you can legally do - yes.
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