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Old 09-29-2017, 07:48 AM
 
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There's that.

Also, textile factories were notorious for causing lost fingers and even limbs, and severe lung damage.
Using electronic devices and driving cause more accidents than impaired drivers.
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Old 09-29-2017, 07:50 AM
 
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Yes, it is a money making scam, and one, it seems, we're often not given a choice to opt out of.
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Old 09-29-2017, 10:04 AM
 
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Now I can check everything I want, move money around with a click and I end up spending hours on tech support trying to get the damn thing to work. Then again, it seems it takes 15 minutes to pay one bill rather than a pile when writing checks and sticking them in a envelope. I have had enough, we are requiring paper bills mailed to us once again. Life is much simpler again.
Not sure what your issues are but I don't think i've called "tech support" for anything in ten years. And most of my bills pay themselves requiring 0 minutes of my time.
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Old 09-29-2017, 10:15 AM
 
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Right.

We had a large number of our bills on autopay. Every year when we got new cards we had to CALL and reset all our autopay options. Then one year our credit information was compromized and we got three sets of cards within six months. It seemed we were spending all our time resetting the autopay so we could save ALL that time.
I wonder why I don't have to do that? Maybe I'm a special customer.

What credit cards are issued every year? What credit cards do not let you manage autopay online? What checking accounts require you to update anything ever?

Not sure how updating the expiration date online for a vendor once every three years is more time consuming than writing and mailing a check to that vendor every month.

In the old days, if there was a fraudulent charge on your credit card or bank account, you didn't learn abouit til you got your end of month statement, usually weeks later.
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Old 09-29-2017, 11:01 AM
 
Location: Tucson/Nogales
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Think of the engineer who came up with the most perfect product imaginable, no reason whatsoever to change anything in it. It's perfect!

But the CEO of that company says: Let's make it more perfect, and if you can't, I'll find some other engineer to do it and you can find a job elsewhere! Perfect products can bankrupt a company!

So the engineer goes to work to add a bit more perfection, making his other perfect product obsolete!

It amazes me with cars. I've seen too many cars, over the years, that are so perfectly, tastefully designed I couldn't imagine why they'd want to change anything in that car. And yet, they do, and subsequently, they destroy it, making it more unattractive. Like the late 70's Corvettes, which, IMO, they should all be sitting in museums. Then, the ugliness arrived in the 80's and 90's!
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Old 09-29-2017, 12:06 PM
 
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How much of technology is a scam? This ain't the 1960s anymore. The world population did not rech 4 billion until 1974. Now we are passed 7 billion.

Economists write this about the Depreciation of computers:

http://www-personal.umich.edu/~shapi...s/criw2007.pdf

It has lots of fancy mathematics on page 7. But there is no mention of passive backplane computer designs.

The old S-100 bus was a passive backplane and some manufacturers have made 32-bit passive backplanes. Passive backplanes do not have a "motherboard". The CPU and memory is just another "daughterboard" and can be upgraded just by pulling out a card an sticking in another. If IBM had used a passive backplane in 1980 then tens of millions of computers could have been kept from being thrown away by now.

But our nitwit economists do not compute and report the Depreciation of Durable Consumer Goods. When do they mention NET Domestic Product?

Economic Wargames: How the economic model is unsustainable and enslaving.

Our economists regard throwing stuff away as economic growth as long as people must spend more money to replace the garbage.
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Old 09-29-2017, 12:14 PM
 
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There's that.

Also, textile factories were notorious for causing lost fingers and even limbs, and severe lung damage.
Instead of that, today, we have obesity and diabetes from being sedentary, stress, high blood pressure and heart attacks from stress, environmental toxins/chemical exposure. Work still kills people, just in a different way.
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Old 09-29-2017, 12:17 PM
 
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Its not the ecosystem that is keeping people from getting fed, it is the Governments of the nations that those people live in that are keeping the people from getting few. Look at Venezuela. That was one of the top South American Nations at one time. Socialism has destroyed the nation. The people have no food, no jobs, and have lost everything. All because of the Government.

As it is you can take all 7 billion people bring them to the United States and all could eat just fine here in this Nation. All could live just fine here in the United States. We have plenty of space for the people of the world right here in the USA.
There is enough food to feed everyone on the planet.

There is a DISTRIBUTION problem. Not quantity. Companies want to be paid for food. So poor nations go without. If there were profits to made shipping food to poor countries, businesses would do it in a heartbeat.
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Old 09-29-2017, 02:46 PM
 
Location: Telecommutes from Northern AZ
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Technology is like anything else, it has humans in the mix.

Humans are not perfect. Humans manipulate, up sell, get greedy, make dumb decisions, go along with fads, etc...

Tech is not immune to this.

Smart use of technology is the key to utilizing it to unlock new capabilities and new opportunities.

Else you could end up with a new 800 dollar iPhone and a 500 dollar phone watch and a 900 tablet that you use to watch porn, check emails, post selfies, and swipe left with ...taken for a ride all the way...
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Old 09-29-2017, 05:37 PM
 
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Think of the engineer who came up with the most perfect product imaginable, no reason whatsoever to change anything in it. It's perfect!

But the CEO of that company says: Let's make it more perfect, and if you can't, I'll find some other engineer to do it and you can find a job elsewhere! Perfect products can bankrupt a company!

So the engineer goes to work to add a bit more perfection, making his other perfect product obsolete!

It amazes me with cars. I've seen too many cars, over the years, that are so perfectly, tastefully designed I couldn't imagine why they'd want to change anything in that car. And yet, they do, and subsequently, they destroy it, making it more unattractive. Like the late 70's Corvettes, which, IMO, they should all be sitting in museums. Then, the ugliness arrived in the 80's and 90's!
Even pretty cars get long in the tooth after 15 years and there’s nothing perfect about a C3 Corvette. The C5-C7 is gorgeous. More power, less emissions, more comfort, better gas mileage, and much safer.
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