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Old 04-16-2018, 04:35 PM
 
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By wall, you mean a fence? There is a difference between a problem and a crisis.

No, I mean a wall and there doesn't have to be a crisis to address a problem.
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Old 04-17-2018, 12:52 AM
 
Location: U.S.A., Earth
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As long as US employers proffit from hiring illegals, the demand for their labor will continue to exist.

What so many Americans refuse to acknowledge is that the "right people" benefit from having millions of sub minimum wage illegals in our workforce, holding down pay and benefits for the legitimate labor force.

Illegal immigration is just one more facet of corporate welfare. Corporations own America. Do the math.

And that's why it will continue indefinitely.

Problem is, when we try to raise the minimum wage, people then start letting on the bleak future that a Big Mac will now cost $12. Well, to those in the forums who want to try to have it both ways... do you want expensive goods (because we know corporations aren't charities, and they want to make money ), or would you rather have these immigrants who are willing to doing the labor for cheaper wages, and us keeping to keep the prices we pay as is?
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Old 04-17-2018, 04:59 AM
 
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Build a wall and have a bunch of snipers deployed on top. I'm being serious. Those who would dare skip the due process of illegal immigration deserve no sympathy from the country they're trying to invade. Here, if the country they were fleeing, which borders on the USA actually cared about preventing them from doing so in anyway the whole border issue would be way less than it is now. *The snipers would use rubber bullets and aim for legs. Can't get into the country if you can't walk.
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Old 04-17-2018, 07:26 AM
 
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Problem is, when we try to raise the minimum wage, people then start letting on the bleak future that a Big Mac will now cost $12. Well, to those in the forums who want to try to have it both ways... do you want expensive goods (because we know corporations aren't charities, and they want to make money ), or would you rather have these immigrants who are willing to doing the labor for cheaper wages, and us keeping to keep the prices we pay as is?

Those greedy employers don't pass any savings on to the consumer by using illegal alien labor. They just pocket the savings. What they do pass on to us is the social costs of their illegal workers. No Big Mac would cost $12 or any where's near that.


Even if I had to pay a little bit higher prices I would rather see an American working those jobs because I respect the rule of law and I care about my fellow Americans having a job. Make e-verify the law of the land and build the wall.

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Old 04-17-2018, 10:56 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Problem is, when we try to raise the minimum wage, people then start letting on the bleak future that a Big Mac will now cost $12. Well, to those in the forums who want to try to have it both ways... do you want expensive goods (because we know corporations aren't charities, and they want to make money ), or would you rather have these immigrants who are willing to doing the labor for cheaper wages, and us keeping to keep the prices we pay as is?
It doesn't have to be one or the other.

Somewhere in the middle is the point where we can treat people with dignity and still have reasonable prices. But you're right...there's no free meal.
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Old 04-17-2018, 11:49 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Build a wall and have a bunch of snipers deployed on top. I'm being serious. Those who would dare skip the due process of illegal immigration deserve no sympathy from the country they're trying to invade. Here, if the country they were fleeing, which borders on the USA actually cared about preventing them from doing so in anyway the whole border issue would be way less than it is now. *The snipers would use rubber bullets and aim for legs. Can't get into the country if you can't walk.

That's not what this country is about. We're not North Korea.
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Old 04-17-2018, 12:01 PM
 
Location: On the road
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That's not what this country is about. We're not North Korea.
Give us a chance. We are only getting started.
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Old 04-20-2018, 12:30 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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IMHO, I would do all of the above and any other measure that could be employed, including new legislation, to stifle the flow of illegal aliens, and force an orderly, legal process that operates for the benefit of he U.S., NOT foreign countries.
All basically silliness done for political purposes. The illegal immigrant population has been flat for a decade. The Mexican illegals are down a million and are being replaced by visa over stayers. The majority of the illegal aliens at this point are visa over stayers not border crossers.
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Old 04-20-2018, 02:28 PM
 
Location: Middle America
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The "border crisis" is only a crisis become some have deemed it such, and then rammed the idea down our throats through the media.

If people in the US would quit giving them jobs, they'd stop coming over. This could be solved easily. But when what's most important is attacking a group of people, it's better keep people confused as to what's going on. The same goes for wars that have nothing to do with the alleged reasons for fighting. It's all to be a smoke screen so people can do their dirty deeds in the shadows. Crises are opportunities to exploit, not something to fix. Discover a thing called naivety which runs the American public.

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Old 04-20-2018, 06:06 PM
 
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The "border crisis" is only a crisis become some have deemed it such, and then rammed the idea down our throats through the media.

If people in the US would quit giving them jobs, they'd stop coming over. This could be solved easily. But when what's most important is attacking a group of people, it's better keep people confused as to what's going on. The same goes for wars that have nothing to do with the alleged reasons for fighting. It's all to be a smoke screen so people can do their dirty deeds in the shadows. Crises are opportunities to exploit, not something to fix. Discover a thing called naivety which runs the American public.

I'm all for going after the employers who hire illegal aliens and e-verify needs to be mandated in every workplace. Both the employers and their illegal hires are equally guilty though. No one drags them over the border to work here and they know they are breaking the law by doing so.


It's not only jobs that bring them here either. Birthright citizenship for their kids and benefits do to. Also, criminals, terrorists and the drug cartels aren't looking for jobs, thus the wall. We have had a crisis on our southern border for some time now. Time to take some real action.
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