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Old 07-23-2014, 07:47 PM
 
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i would do everything i could, build the fence, build a wall, stock alligators in the rio grande. take all that foreign aid money that not doing anything, build more fence, hell one of obama vacation pay for ten miles of fence. bring the korea, us army people home and put them on the rio grande, i be demanning a mile a day of fence. I have helicopter, drones, army with real bullets. mexico fire on border patrol again,
you don't seem to understand. You don't put alligators in the Rio Grande as they would eat Texans. Hey that may not be such a bad idea...

What are these troops going to do? Hold the baby while mama signs in with the Border Patrol.

You seem to have lots of solutions. Now all you need is a problem they fit.
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Old 07-23-2014, 08:35 PM
 
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Bury landmines of exploding bags of permanent ink. Use a certain color like neon yellow. If you see someone with neon yellow ink all over them near the border then they are illegal Sorta like how banks have ink dye packs for robberies.
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Old 07-23-2014, 08:38 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Default How Should The Border Crisis Be Resolved? A Wall? The National Guard? Deportment? ... What Would You Do?

1. Find the three largest employers of illegals.

2. Jail their CEOs in a federal pen for 5 years.

3. Give their corporations $1 billion fines.

Illegals wouldn't be able to buy a job. Of course, that will never happen.

What very few grasp is that the beneficiaries of illegal immigration are the wealthy. It's simply another facet of corporate welfare. And that's exactly why it will never be effectively addressed.

Corporate America loves having millions of sub-minimum wage people in the workforce, holding down pay and benefits for the rest of us.
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Old 07-23-2014, 08:42 PM
 
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1. Find the three largest employers of illegals.

2. Jail their CEOs in a federal pen for 5 years.

3. Give their corporations $1 billion fines.

Illegals wouldn't be able to buy a job. Of course, that will never happen.

What very few grasp is that the beneficiaries of illegal immigration are the wealthy. It's simply another facet of corporate welfare. And that's exactly why it will never be effectively addressed.

Corporate America loves having millions of sub-minimum wage people in the workforce, holding down pay and benefits for the rest of us.
Yeah that won't ever happen. There is a contractor across the street from me remodeling a house that has a guy with texas plates AND WE ARE IN PENNSYLVANIA and he is Mexican. Who comes all the way from Texas to remodel a little 1000 sq. ft town house in a small town? very suspicious. We have a ton of contractors in this area there is no shortage.
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Old 07-23-2014, 09:31 PM
 
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What very few grasp is that the beneficiaries of illegal immigration are the wealthy. It's simply another facet of corporate welfare. And that's exactly why it will never be effectively addressed.

Corporate America loves having millions of sub-minimum wage people in the workforce, holding down pay and benefits for the rest of us.
I think I've also said this earlier in the thread.

The politicians will pontificate and point fingers...but they won't change the status quo.
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Old 07-24-2014, 08:41 AM
 
Location: New York City
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Default Abolishmment of Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965

is the best solution. Only after people of european origin alone are allow to stay, the flood of latinos and other third world immigrants can be stopped. It is crazy, but the third world send now children to south borders well knows that they all get permit to live in states.
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Old 07-24-2014, 08:45 AM
 
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Well, for starters it won't "come to that", and that's the reason we probably should be looking at this in a way that really allows us to see the difference between hyperbole and a real threat we face that includes immigration as a problem brought about by a much much bigger problem. We, as a people of a democratic nation, have failed to act in a way that provides the constitutional mandated will of the people to be the driver of our destiny. Instead we see corporations at the helm and that's your first clue that NOTHING will happen here without their interests being served, while dismissing ours.

The entire dynamic of immigration has been dominated by corporate interest, they determine domestic government policy, they determine foreign policy, monetary policy, trade policy, education policy, labor policy, and thus immigration policy. If the interests of those who utilize illegal immigrant labor weren't being served the borders wouldn't be what they are today. You see illegals as a cost, corporate America sees a new workforce, a hungry workforce, a non union workforce, and better than ALL of that, a workforce whose very presence here can be controlled by law, and corporations are controlling those laws.

Meanwhile, the "game" in Washington DC is being played out in typical political street theatre fashion with the two corporate supported parties ostensibly "battling it out" over the how and why of immigration, but I think we both know the outcome, will, by necessity, be one that serves the interests of the moneyed class. Your assertion that "nuking" will somehow provide the resolution you so badly want flies in the face of corporate America's desire to usher in this new work force at whatever cost because you and not them will pay that cost.

By the way, these same powerful people started the entire economic crash in Mexico years ago with the IMF's SAP's (structural adjustment policies) that caused poor Mexican's to flee the resulting poverty. You will never have the country you want by supporting the corporate political parties that serve their masters on Wall street, take a look at "The Market" right now, does it look like the "immigration problem" is pulling down on the wealth of those on top? No, it isn't, so sometimes we see the need to educate ourselves may be the answer, unless of course, you are really insistent about that nuking thing.......
It is too late. The American people already entails many immigrants who become citizens in recent decades. What Americans want is not entirely separate from what new immigrants want, as many new citizens are staunchly in support of immigration. They are also trying to apply on behalf of their family.

The demographics of the sun belt is changing. Liberals say that those will become democratic leaning in the future and that the demographics are on "our side." Okay. It's indeed. Why would southern states public opinions go against immigration? I don't think the new majority will oppose immigration. Instead, people are quite motivated to see more immigrants, especially faced with conservative red neck people that are hostile to them. They also have the highest birth rate.

Neither party is going to stop corporate interests from hiring cheaper labor. If companies don't hire them, the democrats would lose potential voters. Note that those from south of our border are the most likely democratic leaning people. This is part of a strategy to turn the sunbelt blue.
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Old 07-24-2014, 08:51 AM
 
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1. Find the three largest employers of illegals.

2. Jail their CEOs in a federal pen for 5 years.

3. Give their corporations $1 billion fines.

Illegals wouldn't be able to buy a job. Of course, that will never happen.

What very few grasp is that the beneficiaries of illegal immigration are the wealthy. It's simply another facet of corporate welfare. And that's exactly why it will never be effectively addressed.

Corporate America loves having millions of sub-minimum wage people in the workforce, holding down pay and benefits for the rest of us
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This ^^^^ this ^^^^ this ^^^^ this^^^^.

The rest is just a distraction.

If "we" really wanted to stop illegal immigration, it could be done very easily. But, as they say, be careful what you wish for. Prices for EVERYTHING would go up and there would be consequences which you may not see.
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Old 07-24-2014, 05:23 PM
 
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This ^^^^ this ^^^^ this ^^^^ this^^^^.

The rest is just a distraction.

If "we" really wanted to stop illegal immigration, it could be done very easily. But, as they say, be careful what you wish for. Prices for EVERYTHING would go up and there would be consequences which you may not see.
The "we" is now a much weaker one. Lots of citizens are recent immigrants. Why would they want to stop illegal immigration? The demographics are already shifting. You won't get a consensus.
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Old 07-24-2014, 06:09 PM
 
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I believe all was lost when we allowed Spanish to become our 2ed language. I know that sounds silly, but I for one, am darn tired of looking for the English writing on products I buy. I'm sick to death of pressing one for English. Why is Spanish the only language we cater too? Why did we allow it? Why didn't we boycott any company that did this?

I play on a game site that has you watch videos to earn tokens. Just this past week, we became bombarded with ads I cant understand. Really? In America, I can no longer play a stupid game without listening to Spanish? My grandkids are being "encouraged" to learn Spanish. We know that's the only way they'll be able to get a job when grown, but I resent the heck out of it.

My parents neighborhood was taken over. My moms last 2 years were made miserable by the loud music. Would the cops help? Nope, but I realize they probably couldn't. I admire the folks who are turning the busses away, but I fear its to late.

Why aren't we seeing the conditions these "children" are living in? Why was a congressman turned away from seeing them himself? What are they hiding? Why am I getting emails saying most of the invaders are toddlers? Believe me, I wrote them back telling them they're lying and to take me off their mailing list. I can see why they have so many supporters, they're believing the sob stories about the illegals. I don't. I see them as the criminals they are. We have the laws on the books, we just need people to be allowed to enforce them. Sorry for the almost off topic rant, but I've lost hope.
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