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We already have more young workers than we can find jobs for--American workers. So your argument about needing younger workers is flawed.
We are a nation of immigrants, yes, but the immigrants came here through the legal process--with a sponsor, a job, money, promising to not take handouts. That's how it still works today. A LEGAL immigrant cannot take a handout for five years even if he loses his job--his sponsor has promised to support him for five years.
The employers who hire illegals are paying slave wages when they should be paying a living wage to LEGAL immigrants or US citizens. No country has wide open borders--that's just looking for trouble.
You can't just allow ANYONE to walk into the country without knowing if they are a criminal, carrying an infectious disease, coming here to cause some trouble, etc. That's what the immigration laws are there for. Have you already forgotten 9/11? Yeh, just let people come walking into the country.
We need something like a wall and the national guard or military to show that we mean business because this is totally out of control.
We also need a kinder immigration service so that some of the people who are trying to get in--and deserve to get in--CAN get in. Our immigration laws became way too restrictive after 9/11 and that is forcing people to break into the country. It's almost impossible to get in the right way.
A spike in unemployment, though painful, is temporary. We have a longer term trend towards aging that will drag the economy if the workforce is unable to pay for entitlements to retirees.
Regarding a nation of immigrants: many of the immigrants who came here came when the border was essentially open. You could buy a ticket on a transatlantic ship, arrive at Ellis Island (or elsewhere), and after passing through INS, enter the country, work, live, and acquire property. Those immigrants came without jobs or sponsors. "Sponsoring" is a recent phenomenon that has coincided with the closing of the borders.
The unlawful status of immigrants allows under the table employers to exploit them.
Disease control and criminal background checks would be far less than we are currently requiring. Note that the 9/11 attackers came here through the legal immigration process. And Ted Kaczyski was an American-born citizen, as were: Christopher Dorn, Nidal Malik Hasan, Michael Bray, Eric Robert Randolph, Robert Jay Matthews, Richard Wayne Snell, William J. Simmons, Wade Michael Page, W. Tate Brady, and others. In short, the threat of terrorist violence exists regardless of our border policy.
The overwhelming majority of people who come to the United States--legally or illegally--do so for economic opportunity.
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Originally Posted by KellySou
Unfortunately I agree. Maybe motion sensing gun towers or something similar at appropriate heights all along the border. No human actually pulling the trigger but a total unbiased wall of fire. After the first several try to come across and realize we are not bluffing they will stop.
So you want motion sensing gun towers in San Diego and El Paso? That sounds dangerous, seeing as how we would be firing into a highly populated urban areas in the United States.
My solution would be to look to countries which are successful. I am not up to speed on those who are, but, for example, I have heard that Mexico is very tough on those who enter illegally, yet their citizens walk all over us.
Tell that to the families of the 118 fallen Officers...
And your wrong about finding a how to- building IED's and VEBIED's on the internet. You won't find these on the internet, (only Arabic / Shia /Sunni ) these are the same IED's that killed many of good troopers in Iraq (all raw material and equipment, Iran made). You refuse to see the facts, it's DHS issue. My one and only care and concern is the safety of the American public and CBP Officers. Thank you
And that is without digging into the dark part of the net. Probably added me to a couple of lists at NSA though.
That's NOT what Im talking ..
I'm talking mortar pipes, mortars, cap charges with solid 2" balls for a max kill shot. The Prefered weapon of the enemy. IEDs / VBIED's phone charged, and please don't try to be hero and look it up because you'll find yourself on an enemy site in Arabic, Shia, Sunni, some maybe even in Engish, all through and from the enemy and their sites. Don't try going there because there's a good chance, you'll wish you didn't.
That's NOT what Im talking ..
I'm talking mortar pipes, mortars, cap charges with solid 2" balls for a max kill shot. The Prefered weapon of the enemy. IEDs / VBIED's phone charged, and please don't try to be hero and look it up because you'll find yourself on an enemy site in Arabic, Shia, Sunni, some maybe even in Engish, all through and from the enemy and their sites. Don't try going there because there's a good chance, you'll wish you didn't.
Now, where we're we? oh, you get the point.
That is all versions of military gear. Not applicable to the border situation. We are playing with gunpowder and ammonium nitrate.
If you get to the point where you have access to such gear you likely have access as to how to rig it as well. Quite truthfully that stuff is a lot easier than getting good results with the amateur material packages. The only real defense against the military stuff is lack of availability.
That's the way it's suppose to be. And that's that. Now lets get back to the borders, shall we? Cool stuff..
Are you aware of the para military force (protection teams) in CBP? MRAPS, Troop Carriers, Aviation Airborne and small boat teams? the largest LE force (FLETC trained) (60K) over all in the Federal force pipelines? they already are military.
Here's my ******* solution - help the Mexican economy improve so their folks won't need to come here. But...has MX really slid past the point of no return as a narco-state? I don't know. Failing that, the suggestions about making the penalties super harsh for hiring illegals is the next logical step. Maybe Mexico can earn some money teaching us how their socialized healthcare system works.
Given some of the (IMHO) whack job suggestions here, I offer a parody tribute:
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Land mines would be the obvious, cost effective answer but that useless Commander in Chef Kenyan can cook just signed some bogass treetea against em.
Since we can't do that because the USA gubment obeys all laws, we should institute a bounty/pelt system. Full grown male illegal pelt pays 6x. Female pelt pays 3x and it scales down for the smaller ones. Besides showing we mean bidness, this will increase civilian marksmanship and field craft. The pelt money will also stimulate the economy. Them ******* la-deee-da college pukes have that Pell grant money - we true Americant Patridiots will have the Pelt Grant. Fares Fare!
That's the way it's suppose to be. And that's that. Now lets get back to the borders, shall we? Cool stuff..
Are you aware of the para military force (protection teams) in CBP? MRAPS, Troop Carriers, Aviation Airborne and small boat teams? the largest LE force (FLETC trained) (60K) over all in the Federal force pipelines? they already are military.
DHS..
That is really impressive. They will make short work of those kids throwing rocks. Maybe they can get poles to carry the bodies away on? Great photo opprtunity...12 year olds hanging by arms and legs carried by US BP dudes in full swat get up.
Honestly, I don't think anything is going to help prevent illegal immigration until the violence which is driving families from their home countries is addressed. Simply deporting or putting up more barriers is expensive, inefficient, strains resources and is potentially dangerous. While I'm generally opposed to the US interfering with other countries, I think there is room to argue that more could be accomplished by working with other American nations to find a way to improve the situation since it is increasingly becoming an widespread issue across the Western Hemisphere. Trying to fix a problem spanning multiple countries by focusing only on US policies is unlikely to resolve anything even if it potentially reduces the flow of migrants.
It's simply not true that most illegal aliens are coming here because of violence in their own countries.
These immigrants died of natural causes - like heat and thirst.
We have plenty of money for bombs right? Why not divert some of those funds to a more effective diversion on our borders?
Interestingly enough, the guy that used to do some yard work for us recently returned home to Mexico. He said their was more job opportunity there than here. Go figure...*shrugs*
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