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Old 08-20-2021, 09:24 AM
 
Location: Southwest Suburbs
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Most of it is simply due to natural decrease; the white "replacement rate" has fallen so low in many areas that deaths are exceeding births.

But that being said, wow at NYC and Chicago. Those are very steep drops over 10-year period, although some of that admittedly could be shifts in how people have identified racially in the past versus now.
It's mostly because not as many Latinos are claiming to be white as they did a decade ago. Chicago was 45% white alone in 2010, now it's 36%( just factoring non-latino, it's around 31-33%).
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Old 08-20-2021, 09:26 AM
 
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The Grand Rapids metro numbers suggesting a 30%+ gain in non-Hispanic white population are not accurate. This is probably because a few counties were switched in and out of the metro recently. When I have time later I'll get the current county numbers added together for both 2010 and 2020.

Current definition from OMB:

24340 Grand Rapids-Kentwood, MI Metropolitan Statistical Area
Principal Cities: Grand Rapids, Kentwood
Ionia County, Kent County, Montcalm County, Ottawa County
You got me curious so I checked. I don't see anything to suggest that it's not accurate. The 2018 realignment for Grand Rapids only removed Barry County from the MSA, and added in Ionia County. They are essentially the same population with similar demographical break downs so I don't think that would have had an impact.

Below are the numbers for Grand Rapids MSA:


What makes you think it's inaccurate?

EDIT: The 2010 numbers are from the 2003 metro alignment which excluded Ottawa County, the 2nd largest county in this metro. I have corrected this in a post on the following page.

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Old 08-20-2021, 09:29 AM
 
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It's mostly because not as many Latinos are claiming to be white as they did a decade ago. Chicago was 45% white alone in 2010, now it's 36%( just factoring non-latino, it's around 31-33%).
^This...A lot of those that were "white" before were really Mestizo, Mulatto, etc. according to their places of origin and adjusted accordingly.
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Old 08-20-2021, 09:37 AM
 
Location: Atlanta metro (Cobb County)
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You got me curious so I checked. I don't see anything to suggest that it's not accurate. The 2018 realignment for Grand Rapids only removed Barry County from the MSA, and added in Ionia County.

Below are the numbers for Grand Rapids MSA:


What makes you think it's inaccurate?

Total Population 2010 -> 2020

Ionia County 63,905 -> 66,804
Kent County 602,622 -> 657,974
Montcalm County 63,342 -> 66,614
Ottawa County 263,801 -> 296,200
MSA Total 993,670 -> 1,087,592

Your image suggests a total metro area population increase of 313,432. But adding up the four counties as shown results in a gain of 93,922, or 9.5%. Just Kent and Ottawa counties combined had more people in 2010 than what the image suggests for the entire metro.
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Old 08-20-2021, 09:40 AM
 
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Grand Rapids didn't growth that much! Gotta have a BS detector.

It looks like they added a county for 2010.

Wikipedia shows a 9.45% growth rate. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...tistical_areas

(Edit: duplicates jas75 response...)
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Old 08-20-2021, 09:41 AM
 
Location: That star on your map in the middle of the East Coast, DMV
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Originally Posted by Landolakes90 View Post
You got me curious so I checked. I don't see anything to suggest that it's not accurate. The 2018 realignment for Grand Rapids only removed Barry County from the MSA, and added in Ionia County. They are essentially the same population with similar demographical break downs so I don't think that would have had an impact.

Below are the numbers for Grand Rapids MSA:


What makes you think it's inaccurate?
Sorry, but what link are you using to get this data? I've been looking specifically for this type of data for MSA's.
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Old 08-20-2021, 09:43 AM
 
Location: Southwest Suburbs
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^This...A lot of those that were "white" before were really Mestizo, Mulatto, etc. according to their places of origin and adjusted accordingly.
Yeah, that's why I said 2020 is the most accurate census to date. One of the few cities that may have a majority white latino base is Miami, and even there most are claiming two or more races or other category, and come to find out a visible portion of Cuban-Americans are Lebanese/Arab by ancestry.
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Old 08-20-2021, 09:44 AM
 
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Total Population 2010 -> 2020

Ionia County 63,905 -> 66,804
Kent County 602,622 -> 657,974
Montcalm County 63,342 -> 66,614
Ottawa County 263,801 -> 296,200
MSA Total 993,670 -> 1,087,592

Your image suggests a total metro area population increase of 313,432. But adding up the four counties as shown results in a gain of 93,922, or 9.5%. Just Kent and Ottawa counties combined had more people in 2010 than what the image suggests for the entire metro.
These numbers come from the Columbus dispatch data base which were used to get the original numbers . Here is the data for Atlanta MSA, It's the same premise as the GR MSA. The numbers in the racial breakdown for Atlanta come to 6,820.285, when it's metro pop is 6,089,815. The only thing can think is that when these numbers are calculated it's not a one for one comparison. For instance would folks of two or more races be counted in that category, as well as both the individual race categories they are also a part of? Essentially someone who is both white and Latino would be counted 3 times. Every place I look at has the same issue.

https://data.dispatch.com/census/tot...rea/320-12060/

EDIT: Please see my response on the next page correcting my factual innacuracies.

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Old 08-20-2021, 09:46 AM
 
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Sorry, but what link are you using to get this data? I've been looking specifically for this type of data for MSA's.
https://data.dispatch.com/census/tot...rea/320-12060/

If you type in the city you are looking for and scroll all the way to the bottom you will find the metro listed, select and you will get the data.
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Old 08-20-2021, 10:00 AM
 
Location: That star on your map in the middle of the East Coast, DMV
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https://data.dispatch.com/census/tot...rea/320-12060/

If you type in the city you are looking for and scroll all the way to the bottom you will find the metro listed, select and you will get the data.
Much appreciated!
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