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Old 08-23-2021, 10:36 PM
 
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Climate change is gonna mess Miami development up

Do you have a specific date that this is going to start happening? They've been saying that for 30 years now.

They seem to still be developing like crazy down there. Miami didn't get the memo?


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Old 08-23-2021, 10:41 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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Do you have a specific date that this is going to start happening? They've been saying that for 30 years now.

They seem to still be developing like crazy down there. Miami didn't get the memo?


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There's a renewed -really, never seen before urgency at this moment- Id would imagine this has to slow development and scale back projects at the very least, if not have some scrapped in the very near future.

Unlike the past 30 years, you've got the last 30 years of climate change already under the belt It gets more pressing more quickly each year. I do not expect Miami or anywhere really to grow as fast as it once did anyway...
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Old 08-24-2021, 12:57 AM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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Again, and lastly, ourtesy of ChiSoxRox@SSP

MSAs with population over 100k ppsm:
New York: 1,678,781
San Francisco: 29,472
Miami: 7,863
Chicago: 6,505
Boston: 5,747
Honolulu: 4,148
Seattle: 3,506
Los Angeles: 2,124
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Old 08-24-2021, 06:44 AM
 
Location: Washington D.C. By way of Texas
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If only Houston's 495K was in a more urban walkable environment. It wouldn't be looked at as a sprawled wasteland as people see it as now. At least not as much.

Atlanta being that low doesn't surprise me. Same with Charlotte. Built up core but with the winding hilly roads and tall trees of the Piedmont areas, you're not going to get high density especially outside of the actual city limits.

Austin hits rock bottom in density once you leave the core.
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Old 08-24-2021, 09:33 AM
 
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If only Houston's 495K was in a more urban walkable environment. It wouldn't be looked at as a sprawled wasteland as people see it as now. At least not as much.

Atlanta being that low doesn't surprise me. Same with Charlotte. Built up core but with the winding hilly roads and tall trees of the Piedmont areas, you're not going to get high density especially outside of the actual city limits.

Austin hits rock bottom in density once you leave the core.
I mean, it's pretty much what we've been saying for the past 10 years now. Atlanta's urban core is denser than Houston's, but falls off big time outside of the core neighborhoods. Houston(and Dallas) maintain higher densities away from the urban core and throughout the metro area(though it doesn't really matter since it's suburban in nature anyways).
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Old 08-24-2021, 09:34 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn, New York
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If only Houston's 495K was in a more urban walkable environment. It wouldn't be looked at as a sprawled wasteland as people see it as now. At least not as much.

Atlanta being that low doesn't surprise me. Same with Charlotte. Built up core but with the winding hilly roads and tall trees of the Piedmont areas, you're not going to get high density especially outside of the actual city limits.

Austin hits rock bottom in density once you leave the core.
10,000 ppsm is still pretty sprawlish anyway. It is still the density achieved via single family homes.
The real 'walkable' densities start at around 15-20,000 ppsm. Low-rise apartment buildings start at around 22-25,000 ppsm. This is around the average density of London. Brooklyn/Tokyo densities are about 35,000-60,000 ppsm.
The real high density like you see in Manhattan starts at around 70,000+ ppsm.
The real "big boy" density starts at around the 40,000 ppsm mark, where you rarely see anything resembling SFHs or detached midrises on pedestals sitting on huge lots.

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Old 08-24-2021, 09:35 AM
 
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10,000 ppsm is still pretty sprawlish anyway. It is still the density achieved via single family homes.
The real 'walkable' densities start at around 15-20,000 ppsm. Low-rise apartment buildings start at around 22-25,000 ppsm.
10k ppsm with single families homes means those SFH have to be tightly packed together. You'd probably have urban, walkable corridors and streetcar suburbs.
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Old 08-24-2021, 09:40 AM
 
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wow, Charlotte..
Where's Nashville on this list?
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Old 08-24-2021, 09:42 AM
 
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If only Houston's 495K was in a more urban walkable environment. It wouldn't be looked at as a sprawled wasteland as people see it as now. At least not as much.

Atlanta being that low doesn't surprise me. Same with Charlotte. Built up core but with the winding hilly roads and tall trees of the Piedmont areas, you're not going to get high density especially outside of the actual city limits.

Austin hits rock bottom in density once you leave the core.
Houston seems to have density without benefit or purpose.
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Old 08-24-2021, 09:50 AM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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Half of LA lives in 10K+ppsm. What a fantastic rebuttal to naysayers who call the place out for sprawl.

MSAs by Percentage of Population, 10,000+ Per Square Mile
58.0% New York: 11,694,534
50.0% Los Angeles: 6,611,283
43.6% San Francisco: 2,073,127
38.8% Honolulu: 395,854
36.0% San Jose: 720,560
29.3% Boston: 1,448,764
27.1% Chicago: 2,614,012
26.4% Salinas: 116,532
25.3% Philadelphia: 1,580,169
24.7% San Diego: 816,530
23.2% Santa Barbara: 104,916
22.7% Miami: 1,398,475
19.5% Las Vegas: 441,510
19.2% Washington: 1,230,663
18.0% Oxnard: 152,811
18.0% Trenton: 70,272
17.9% Providence: 301,925
17.7% State College: 28,622
17.5% Bridgeport: 168,397
15.9% Santa Cruz: 43,412
14.3% Milwaukee: 226,941
14.2% Reading: 61,836
13.1% Baltimore: 375,152
13.1% Buffalo: 153,098
12.5% Seattle: 505,840
11.1% New Haven: 96,281
10.6% Denver: 315,809
9.9% Champaign: 22,271
9.7% Allentown: 84,293
9.2% Madison: 63,212
8.5% Manchester: 36,655
8.3% Lancaster: 46,505
8.3% Stockton: 65,403
8.0% Springfield, MA: 56,107
7.6% Atlantic City: 21,194
7.3% Riverside: 339,111
7.4% New Orleans: 95,502
7.1% Hartford: 87,780
7.1% Phoenix: 328,143
7.1% Portland: 179,612
6.9% Ann Arbor: 26,580
6.9% Houston: 495,906
6.8% Poughkeepsie: 48,699
6.7% Reno: 33,110
6.7% Worcester: 66,488
6.6% Boulder: 22,321
6.5% Minneapolis: 241,894
6.3% Albany: 57,733
6.3% Fresno: 64,225
6.2% Sacramento: 149,401
5.5% Rochester: 60,997
5.4% Harrisburg: 32,348
5.4% Scranton: 31,525
5.4% York: 25,122
5.1% Dallas: 390,927
4.7% Modesto: 26,829
4.6% Provo: 31,825
4.6% Vallejo: 21,593
4.0% Columbus: 86,536
4.0% Syracuse: 27,262
3.9% Bakersfield: 36,880
3.9% Pittsburgh: 94,694
3.7% Cleveland: 78,607
3.7% Salt Lake City: 47,020
3.3% Austin: 76,408
3.0% Richmond: 40,379
2.8% Detroit: 126,508
2.5% Orlando: 67,832
2.4% Atlanta: 150,542
2.0% Cincinnati: 46,615
1.8% St. Louis: 53,286
1.3% Tampa Bay: 43,634
1.2% San Antonio: 33,299
0.7% Charlotte: 21,929
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