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Old 08-23-2021, 09:38 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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Baltimore is so much lower compared to other cities in the BosWash corridor.
Baltimore is more comparable to Bridgeport or Buffalo in that regard. It is something that is very noticeable driving through Harford County, outer Baltimore County, and parts of Anne Arundel and Howard County. And oh my god forget about Queen Annes County and Carroll County..
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Old 08-23-2021, 09:41 PM
 
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Again, this is courtesy of ChiSoxRox@SSP.

MSAs by Population 10,000+ Per Square Mile

Philadelphia: 1,580,169

Boston: 1,448,764

Miami: 1,398,475

I wonder how long until Miami passes Boston and Philadelphia?
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Old 08-23-2021, 09:43 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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I wonder how long until Miami passes Boston and Philadelphia?
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Could be a while both those cities are growing, especially in areas that already have 10,000ppsqmi. It's a higher percentage of Greater Boston residents in those areas so it might be nearing capacity before Philly...
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Old 08-23-2021, 09:46 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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Again, this is courtesy of ChiSoxRox@SSP.

MSAs by Population 10,000+ Per Square Mile
New York: 11,694,534

Los Angeles: 6,611,283

Chicago: 2,614,012

San Francisco: 2,073,127

Philadelphia: 1,580,169

Boston: 1,448,764

Miami: 1,398,475

Washington: 1,230,663

San Diego: 816,530

San Jose: 720,560

Seattle: 505,840

Houston: 495,906

Las Vegas: 441,510

Honolulu: 395,854

Dallas: 390,927

Baltimore: 375,152

Riverside: 339,111

Phoenix: 328,143

Denver: 315,809

Providence: 301,925

Minneapolis: 241,894

Milwaukee: 226,941

Portland: 179,612

Bridgeport: 168,397

Buffalo: 153,098

Oxnard: 152,811

Atlanta: 150,542

Sacramento: 149,401

Detroit: 126,508

Salinas: 116,532

Santa Barbara: 104,916

New Haven: 96,281

New Orleans: 95,502

Pittsburgh: 94,694

Hartford: 87,780

Columbus: 86,536

Allentown: 84,293

Cleveland: 78,607

Austin: 76,408

Trenton: 70,272

Orlando: 67,832

Worcester: 66,488

Stockton: 65,403

Fresno: 64,225

Madison: 63,212

Reading: 61,836

Rochester: 60,997

Albany: 57,733

Springfield, MA: 56,107

St. Louis: 53,286

Poughkeepsie: 48,699

Salt Lake City: 47,020

Cincinnati: 46,615

Lancaster: 46,505

Tampa Bay: 43,634

Santa Cruz: 43,412

Richmond: 40,379

Bakersfield: 36,880

Manchester: 36,655

San Antonio: 33,299

Reno: 33,110

Harrisburg: 32,348

Provo: 31,825

Scranton: 31,525

State College: 28,622

Syracuse: 27,262

Modesto: 26,829

Ann Arbor: 26,580

York: 25,122

Boulder: 22,321

Champaign: 22,271

Charlotte: 21,929

Vallejo: 21,593

Atlantic City: 21,194
wow, Charlotte..
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Old 08-23-2021, 09:54 PM
 
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Could be a while both those cities are growing, especially in areas that already have 10,000ppsqmi. It's a higher percentage of Greater Boston residents in those areas so it might be nearing capacity before Philly...

But the Miami metro is pretty much the only area in the entire U.S. with no room left to build outwards. I promise you it will come much sooner than you think.
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Old 08-23-2021, 09:55 PM
 
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Way to go Providence. Only metro on there below 2M. And with a weak economy and some rust belt vibes- it's kind of interesting.

Edit: except Honolulu
Providence/Pawtucket peaked at 329,000 in 1940 and currently have 266,000. That’s almost 81% retention.

If Buffalo has retained 81% of its peak population its density would be about 11,400, Cleveland would be 9528. Detroit 10,950.

Providence is basically what a lot of the Rustbelt cities would look like if they didn’t so sharply depopulate.
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Old 08-23-2021, 10:05 PM
 
Location: The canyon (with my pistols and knife)
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One neat thing I just noticed: Pennsylvania now has more than 1,000,000 Hispanic residents (1,049,615), and more than 500,000 Asian residents (510,501). Not bad for a Commonwealth that's often put down for a lack of racial diversity.
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Old 08-23-2021, 10:12 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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Providence/Pawtucket peaked at 329,000 in 1940 and currently have 266,000. That’s almost 81% retention.

If Buffalo has retained 81% of its peak population its density would be about 11,400, Cleveland would be 9528. Detroit 10,950.

Providence is basically what a lot of the Rustbelt cities would look like if they didn’t so sharply depopulate.
Providence list 40% of it's entire population in 30 years. From 1950-1980. It rapidly and sharply declined.

The major difference is it turned around its fortunes slowly in the 80s and then very quickly in the 1990s. Rust belt never stopped declining and just now a few of then are starting to gain... 30 years after Providence (and Boston) did it. Providence and Boston we're two of the only eqst coast/legacy cities to increase population between 1980 and 1990. They simply value urbanism a bit more on a state level, most of the rust belt was more auto centric..even Hartford.

Prov and Boston we're softer industry-textiles that didn't scale as well as steel, coal, and other more industrial, more modern factories in the midwest. Those economies of scale and the massive modernity of their operations allowed those factories to become huge, and more difficult to remedy or remove than textile mills. It also prolonged the prosperity period of those cities into the early 70s whereas by the 1950s Boston and Providence were already in decline.

Also as coastal cities they had a history of international immigration and were less reliant on domestic in migration patterns to fuel their growth compared to Michigan Indiana or Ohio. So just as they're really down bad-1964 happens and they begin to attract immigrants looking for affordable safe cities that know how to deal with immigrants.
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Old 08-23-2021, 10:19 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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But the Miami metro is pretty much the only area in the entire U.S. with no room left to build outwards. I promise you it will come much sooner than you think.
You'd be surprised how Boston can't build out. You basically have to pick and choose a few lots in certain towns but mostly the “out growth” growth is in our many urban satellite cities that already permit high densities. New England zoning laws prevent any noticeable increases in density in small town for the most part. Climate change is gonna mess Miami development up and it's not like it growing way more than the Boston area right now.
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Old 08-23-2021, 10:27 PM
 
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Columbus having double the people living in 10,000 ppsm areas than Cincinnati is very funny considering how people talk about those cities.

Same with Worcester being above St Louis and Cincinnati and Atlanta over Detroit.
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