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Old 08-12-2021, 01:26 PM
 
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2020 Core Base Statistical Areas (CBSA) essentially same as MSA:

Just did the top 15 first, 15-30 next...

1. New York-Newark-Jersey City, NY-NJ-PA Metro Area:

20,140,470/ 3,013.1 people per square mile

2. Los Angeles-Long Beach-Anaheim, CA Metro Area:

13,200,998/ 2,720.7 people per square mile

3. Chicago-Naperville-Elgin, IL-IN-WI Metro Area:

9,618,502/ 1,336.9 people per square mile

4. Dallas-Fort Worth-Arlington, TX Metro Area:

7,637,387/ 880.4 people per square mile

5. Houston-The Woodlands-Sugar Land, TX Metro Area:

7,122,240/ 861.3 people per square mile

6. Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, DC-VA-MD-WV Metro Area:

6,385,162/ 972.2 people per square mile

7. Philadelphia-Camden-Wilmington, PA-NJ-DE-MD Metro Area:

6,245,051/ 1,356.7 people per square mile (Big Philly showing out with the population density and growth)

8. Miami-Fort Lauderdale-Pompano Beach, FL Metro Area:

6,138,333/ 1,211.4 people per square mile

9. Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Alpharetta, GA Metro Area:

6,089,815/ 701.1 people per square mile

10. Boston-Cambridge-Newton, MA-NH Metro Area:

4,941,632/ 1,417.5 people per square mile

11. Phoenix-Mesa-Chandler, AZ Metro Area:

4,845,832/ 332.6 people per square mile

12. San Francisco-Oakland-Berkeley, CA Metro Area:

4,749,008/ 1,922.4 people per square mile

13. Riverside-San Bernardino-Ontario, CA Metro Area:

4,599,839/ 168.6 people per square mile

14. Detroit-Warren-Dearborn, MI Metro Area:

4,392,041/ 1,128.4 people per square mile

15. Seattle-Tacoma-Bellevue, WA Metro Area:

4,018,762/684.7 people per square mile

Why would you post population density information for any CSA or MSA? It's useless and misleading since a bunch of those counties are just empty space and the sizes vary widely. You should look at the Urban Area population density numbers for the true picture.

I mean come on you have the Boston and Philadelphia metros showing a higher density than the Miami metro but in reality the Miami urban area is twice as dense as those two. All those density numbers above are screwy.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...es_urban_areas
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Old 08-12-2021, 01:26 PM
 
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For NC, lots of overcounts in the MSAs by the 2020 estimates.

Charlotte MSA was overestimated by 24,000
Raleigh: -6,000
Greensboro: accurate
Winston-Salem: -4,000
Durham: -3,000
Fayetteville: -9,000
Asheville: +3,000
Hickory: -5,000
Wilmington: -15,000
Jacksonville: accurate
Burlington: accurate
Greenville: -13,000

Wilmington and Greenville were particularly hit hard by the real census.
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Old 08-12-2021, 01:26 PM
 
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Those are the 2019 estimates.

Jacksonville's 2020 number is 949,611 according to quickfacts.

https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fa...rida/PST045219
D'oh! Thanks for pointing that out. I'll go back and correct it
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Old 08-12-2021, 01:28 PM
 
Location: Bergen County, New Jersey
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Hey! Looks like my new county has surpassed my old county to take MA's #2 spot! With Haverhill, Lynn, and Lawrence all undercounted, I wonder what Salem's numbers look like?
Salem, MA: 44,480... an undercount from 2019 estimates by about 1,200 people.
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Old 08-12-2021, 01:29 PM
 
Location: Northern United States
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Detroit city is still struggling, there is bright news in that there was a significant under estimate in it's metro area which I assume faired better than it's Rustbelt counterparts. Final numbers for Wayne County Michigan were 1,793,561. 2019 estimates had it at 1,749,343 meaning Wayne County only lost about 27k people in the last 10 years which is the slowest decline since the 1970s.
I’m guessing the foreign-born population in the Detroit metro has continued to pick-up pace, especially as Asian immigration in general has increased.
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Old 08-12-2021, 01:34 PM
 
Location: Louisville
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I’m guessing the foreign-born population in the Detroit metro has continued to pick-up pace, especially as Asian immigration in general has increased.
I'm not sure if it's that or just that the Census Bureau estimate models were sandbagging rustbelt metros based on the more extreme trends of the 2000's.
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Old 08-12-2021, 01:39 PM
 
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Pretty devastating for Detroit and Milwaukee. Many predicted Detroit’s population decline would slow down and that Milwaukee’s population might even increase. St Louis’ decline wasn’t as bad as what was estimated and it’s at 301k. And while Cleveland lost a bit more compared to the estimate, the population decline itself was far far better than the last decade. With Cleveland losing about 5% or so of its population compared to 17% decline from 2000-2010.

Seems like mixed results for the rust-belt this decade compared to the poor results from the 2010 census.
The news wasn't all bad for Cleveland, when you look at the metro gained 11,000 people from 2010 (adjusted up 40,000 from the 2019 estimates, which is right where I expected).

Unfortunately, it appears like blacks are still leaving the eastside at big numbers. But it looks like mostly staying in the county. The inner east side suburbs that are roughly between 40 to 90 percent black all saw big adjustments up from the 2019 estimate, with the exception of East Cleveland which was adjusted down by 18 percent to under 14,000 (yikes).

But look at these and you see the areas where blacks are moving into:

Maple Heights - 22,078 projected; 23,701 actual; gain of 1,623

Garfield Heights - 27,448 projected; 29,781 actual; gain of 2,333

Euclid - 46,550 projected; 49,692 actual (just missed getting back over 50,000); gain of 3,142

Cleveland Heights - 43,992 projected; 45,312 actual; gain of 1,320

Shaker Heights - 27,027 projected; 29,439 actual; gain of 2,412

Bedford Heights - 10,460 projected; 11,020 actual; gain of 560

Bedford - 12,457 projected; 13,149 actual; gain of 692

Warrensville Heights - 13,108 projected; 13,789 actual; gain of 681

University Heights - 12,797 projected; 13,914 actual; gain of 1,117

Once I get more time, I want to add up Cleveland and all the inner suburbs and see how it compares to 2010, but I'm guessing it will be relatively unchanged. Overall, the county has stabilized outside of the ultra high crime areas on the eastside of Cleveland and the ultra high crime city of East Cleveland.
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Old 08-12-2021, 01:40 PM
 
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So much for immigrants being undercounted. Lawrence, MA was 10,000 over its estimate. Quincy was 10,000 over, Lowell was 5,000 over, Worcester was 25,000 over. These all have huge immigrant communities that are from very different parts of the world.
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Old 08-12-2021, 01:41 PM
 
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A map with census tract densities! They've of course subdivided a lot of tracts. I'm in heaven.

https://mtgis-portal.geo.census.gov/...ed2b2fd7ff6eb7
Great resource. Thanks for sharing! Looks like my neighborhood grew by 127% from 2010. I have been touting the growth of downtown and it is great to see the Official Census count validate that!
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Old 08-12-2021, 01:44 PM
 
Location: That star on your map in the middle of the East Coast, DMV
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Why would you post population density information for any CSA or MSA? It's useless and misleading since a bunch of those counties are just empty space and the sizes vary widely. You should look at the Urban Area population density numbers for the true picture.

I mean come on you have the Boston and Philadelphia metros showing a higher density than the Miami metro but in reality the Miami urban area is twice as dense as those two.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...es_urban_areas
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That's exactly why it's posted. For transparency when it comes to the actual boundaries of an MSA used and what it's density entails. Urban area is not the entire metro area, an MSA is.

UA is an entirely separate metric used to calculate "urbanity", but showing ppsm for a metro also reflects how certain metro's densities are inflated/deflated due to county size and boundaries.

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