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It’s not about deaths? Give me a break. Even if we look at just extended medical issues (separate from deaths), older people and those with pre-existing medical issues have far greater problems versus the young.
Take your DeSantis bashing to the political boards.
I said it's not JUST about deaths. You can't just ignore the long lasting effects this virus appears to have on SOME young people.
Please, define "Essential Worker." Is it that idiotic term coined by MSM that singles out a select group of workers, as if they are the only ones working?
It's simple: Give priority to medical staff, and the "at risk."
Enough of this "essential worker" crap. There is no such thing. Everyone who works is "essential." And virtually everyone is back at work now.
No, not everyone is virtually back at work. Huge corporations do not have their people back at work. Office buildings are sitting empty all across the nation. You think your typical office building is packed full of workers right now? Hint: it isn't.
No, not everyone is virtually back at work. Huge corporations do not have their people back at work. Office buildings are sitting empty all across the nation. You think your typical office building is packed full of workers right now? Hint: it isn't.
The ones I frequent (I work in 4 towers -- 2 in Orlando, one in Tampa, one in Jacksonville) are full of workers -- almost back to normal.
Yes, people, especially professionals, are back at work.
Or is it just per some magical coincidence that these are 4 anomalies?
What "huge corporation" doesn't have their people back at work? Aside from the service industry? Where are these empty office buildings?
this will never be finished. We'll be waiting for years for people in the first group to decide whether they want to get the vaccine. CDC screwed this all up with their recommendations. People should be mandated to take it unless they have a note from their doctor. Time to move on to group 2 while they decide. There is plenty of the vaccine available.
No, not everyone is virtually back at work. Huge corporations do not have their people back at work. Office buildings are sitting empty all across the nation. You think your typical office building is packed full of workers right now? Hint: it isn't.
It is very simple. Do you think someone over the age of 65 is going to have a greater chance of long term health issues and/or die or do you think a young person has a greater chance? Have you looked at the statistics?
Let me help you out with that. Read this from the Mayo Clinic:
“ People of any age, even children, can catch COVID-19. But it most commonly affects middle-aged and older adults. The risk of developing dangerous symptoms increases with age, with those who are age 85 and older at the highest risk of serious symptoms. In the U.S., about 80% of deaths from the disease have been in people age 65 and older. Risks are even higher for older people when they have underlying health conditions”
and as for those folks in the nursing home:
“ Nursing home residents are at high risk because they often have multiple underlying health problems, combined with advanced age. And germs can spread very easily between people who live in close proximity to each other.”
It is very simple. Do you think someone over the age of 65 is going to have a greater chance of long term health issues and/or die or do you think a young person has a greater chance? Have you looked at the statistics?
Let me help you out with that. Read this from the Mayo Clinic:
If it were so "very simple," you wouldn't have been extraordinarily selective in quoting from the Mayo Clinic article that you linked. You left out the following information:
<<The risk of developing dangerous symptoms of COVID-19 may be increased in people who are older and also in people of any age who have other serious health problems — such as heart or lung conditions, weakened immune systems, severe obesity, or diabetes....
Overall, approximately 10% of people who’ve had COVID-19 experience prolonged symptoms, a UK team estimated in a recently published Practice Pointer on postacute COVID-19 management....
Some lung conditions may increase your risk of serious illness from COVID-19, including:
Cystic fibrosis
Pulmonary fibrosis
Moderate to severe asthma [note that asthma is a serious condition among many urban essential workers and those who live near chemical plants]
Why some previously healthy, often young, adults still haven’t recovered from the disease has stymied physicians....
But COVID-19 is another matter, Self and his coauthors found in a recent study of 292 individuals with the disease who did not require hospitalization. “One of the goals of this particular study was to understand those with mild symptoms,” Self said. “This was an understudied group.”
More than a third of them hadn’t returned to their usual state of health 2 to 3 weeks after testing positive, the researchers wrote in the Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report. The older the patients, the more likely they were to say they their pre–COVID-19 health hadn’t come back. But even a quarter of the youngest, those aged 18 to 34 years, said they had not yet regained their health.>>
<<Physicians at a Paris hospital recently reported that they saw an average of 30 long haulers every week between mid-May, when the COVID-19 lockdown ended in France, and late July. The patients’ average age was around 40 years, and women outnumbered men 4 to 1.>>
If this is a mean average, most of the long haulers may be younger than 40. Consider the impact on a mean average of a 20- or 30-year-old, versus a 70- or 80-year-old.
Myles Garrett, a 25-year-old premier NFL athlete, was never hospitalized but suffers lingering lung issues.
Under the Trump administration, little official focus was placed on long haulers, as Trump and his enablers such as DeSantis constantly underemphasized the serious impact of the virus. This likely will change under the Biden administration.
<<LONDON — The largest global study of “long Covid” to date has found that many of those suffering from ongoing illness after infection with Covid-19 are unable to return to work at full capacity six months later.
The term “long Covid” refers to patients suffering from prolonged illness after initially contracting the virus, with symptoms including shortness of breath, migraines and chronic fatigue....
In the study, which was not peer-reviewed, the researchers surveyed 3,762 people ages 18 to 80 from 56 countries to identify the symptoms and other issues stemming from long Covid....
Over 45% of respondents reported requiring a reduced work schedule compared with pre-illness and 22.3% said they were not working at the time of the survey due to their health condition. Almost 86% experienced relapses, with exercise, physical or mental activity and stress identified as the main triggers.>>
If it were so "very simple," you wouldn't have been extraordinarily selective in quoting from the Mayo Clinic article that you linked. You left out the following information:
<<The risk of developing dangerous symptoms of COVID-19 may be increased in people who are older and also in people of any age who have other serious health problems — such as heart or lung conditions, weakened immune systems, severe obesity, or diabetes....
Overall, approximately 10% of people who’ve had COVID-19 experience prolonged symptoms, a UK team estimated in a recently published Practice Pointer on postacute COVID-19 management....
Some lung conditions may increase your risk of serious illness from COVID-19, including:
Cystic fibrosis
Pulmonary fibrosis
Moderate to severe asthma [note that asthma is a serious condition among many urban essential workers and those who live near chemical plants]
Why some previously healthy, often young, adults still haven’t recovered from the disease has stymied physicians....
But COVID-19 is another matter, Self and his coauthors found in a recent study of 292 individuals with the disease who did not require hospitalization. “One of the goals of this particular study was to understand those with mild symptoms,” Self said. “This was an understudied group.”
More than a third of them hadn’t returned to their usual state of health 2 to 3 weeks after testing positive, the researchers wrote in the Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report. The older the patients, the more likely they were to say they their pre–COVID-19 health hadn’t come back. But even a quarter of the youngest, those aged 18 to 34 years, said they had not yet regained their health.>>
<<Physicians at a Paris hospital recently reported that they saw an average of 30 long haulers every week between mid-May, when the COVID-19 lockdown ended in France, and late July. The patients’ average age was around 40 years, and women outnumbered men 4 to 1.>>
If this is a mean average, most of the long haulers may be younger than 40. Consider the impact on a mean average of a 20- or 30-year-old, versus a 70- or 80-year-old.
Myles Garrett, a 25-year-old premier NFL athlete, was never hospitalized but suffers lingering lung issues.
Under the Trump administration, little official focus was placed on long haulers, as Trump and his enablers such as DeSantis constantly underemphasized the serious impact of the virus. This likely will change under the Biden administration.
<<LONDON — The largest global study of “long Covid” to date has found that many of those suffering from ongoing illness after infection with Covid-19 are unable to return to work at full capacity six months later.
The term “long Covid” refers to patients suffering from prolonged illness after initially contracting the virus, with symptoms including shortness of breath, migraines and chronic fatigue....
In the study, which was not peer-reviewed, the researchers surveyed 3,762 people ages 18 to 80 from 56 countries to identify the symptoms and other issues stemming from long Covid....
Over 45% of respondents reported requiring a reduced work schedule compared with pre-illness and 22.3% said they were not working at the time of the survey due to their health condition. Almost 86% experienced relapses, with exercise, physical or mental activity and stress identified as the main triggers.>>
Extraordinarily selective? That is what you just did. Again, when looking at all the data, it is clear that older patients are at higher risk versus younger patients.
For deaths, look at this statistic:
42% of deaths came from less than 1% of the population (from nursing homes).
“ There is one inevitable conclusion from these studies: COVID infection frequently leads to brain damage — particularly in those over 70. While sometimes the brain damage is obvious and leads to major cognitive impairment, more frequently the damage is mild, leading to difficulties with sustained attention.”
With all of that said, you are not following the main point of the discussion which is deciding which groups to vaccinate first based on age versus those that are younger. For example, do you vaccinate the 75 year old Grandma in a retirement home or the 26 year old office worker based on risk profile and potential morbidity?
Have you looked at the number of deaths that have occurred in the nursing home population? If you speed up the vaccination of those most at risk of dying, you will have a better chance of lowering deaths.
Everyone has a 100% risk of death, at all times, as long as we remain human beings. Risk of death is not a factor, and shouldn't be a factor. You WILL die. Whether now or later, it doesn't matter. It WILL happen and there's nothing you can do to stop it.
What we CAN do, is reduce the rate of suffering and permanent damage to those who SURVIVE, by reducing the number of people who get infected in the first place.
Who is more at risk of getting infected:
The official category of workers referred to as "essential workers." This isn't a descriptive. It's an actual thing. First responders, medical professionals, hospital and doctor office employees, rehab centers, nursing home employees, grocery store employees who are out on the floor dealing directly with the customers, and anyone whose job it is to put themselves into crowded situations (airplane personnel, for example)
They are at the HIGHEST risk of getting infected. And therefore they should be the FIRST to get the vaccine.
The next highest risk would be nursing home residents, residents in other similar situations including prisoners, cafeteria workers, anyone living in a senior residence - assisted living, group homes, etc. etc.
After that - after you take care of the people with the highest risk of being infected, THEN you can take care of the people who have the highest risk of suffering, should they actually get sick and survive.
Everyone has a 100% risk of death, at all times, as long as we remain human beings. Risk of death is not a factor, and shouldn't be a factor. You WILL die. Whether now or later, it doesn't matter. It WILL happen and there's nothing you can do to stop it.
What we CAN do, is reduce the rate of suffering and permanent damage to those who SURVIVE, by reducing the number of people who get infected in the first place.
Who is more at risk of getting infected:
The official category of workers referred to as "essential workers." This isn't a descriptive. It's an actual thing. First responders, medical professionals, hospital and doctor office employees, rehab centers, nursing home employees, grocery store employees who are out on the floor dealing directly with the customers, and anyone whose job it is to put themselves into crowded situations (airplane personnel, for example)
They are at the HIGHEST risk of getting infected. And therefore they should be the FIRST to get the vaccine.
The next highest risk would be nursing home residents, residents in other similar situations including prisoners, cafeteria workers, anyone living in a senior residence - assisted living, group homes, etc. etc.
After that - after you take care of the people with the highest risk of being infected, THEN you can take care of the people who have the highest risk of suffering, should they actually get sick and survive.
We all do not have the same level of risk of dying from COVID-19. You have to make decisions based on what will reduce death and morbidity. Everyone will die, but not everyone will did from COVID-19. The greatest numbers of death to date from COVID-19 are those that are 65 years and older. That is indisputable.
I said it's not JUST about deaths. You can't just ignore the long lasting effects this virus appears to have on SOME young people.
This guy gotta go. No re-election!! He is plumb nuts !
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