[WRnative]

Originally Posted by Corrie22

It's absolutely amazing....I always thought water was flat

so all these hysterical predictions are only about Florida.....the rest of the world has nothing to worry about

For the past 107 years....the rate of sea level rise in Florida has been exactly the same....it has not gotten faster
....global warming has had no effect on the rate of sea level rise in Florida

the rate of sea level rise in Florida is 0.81 feet a century........2.5mm/yr....... 0.098 inches

Florida sea level > https://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sl...tml?id=8724580

You constantly repeat the same argument that has been repeatedly debunked, even earlier in this thread.

[BNBR]

Originally Posted by WRnative

Likely VERY WRONG, depending upon lifespan expectations. See post 11 in this thread.

https://www.city-data.com/forum/flor...l#post58962750

<<The chart in this article shows that mean sea level rise could be as much as a foot or more by 2030.

https://www.wlrn.org/environment/201...her-and-faster

The column by the University of Miami's Harold Wanless, one of Florida's foremost experts on sea level rise, explains why sea level rise in Florida will exceed global averages.

<<This means that South Florida should add 35 percent to 72 percent additional rise to the GMSL projections. The total relative sea-level rise for South Florida by 2046 could thus be 2.7 to 3.4 feet, and within 50 years could be 5.7 to 7.2 feet. This is not an encouraging future when you look at elevation maps of South Florida or most any other coast.>>

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/opinion...620-story.html>>



Spencer Glendon, the FINANCIAL expert who recommends Florida homeowners should sell their properties now, is an extremely distinguished investment expert and one of the nation's leading authorities on the impact of climate change on investments.

<<An Investment Expert Says Florida Homeowners Should Sell Property Now As Climate Impacts Worsen>>

https://www.theinvadingsea.com/2019/...mpacts-worsen/

<<For 18 years, Dr. Glendon was a Macroanalyst, Partner, and Director of Investment Research at Wellington Management, an investment management firm with more than $1 trillion in client assets. In that role, he spent several years focusing on models in climate science and finance, and understanding the gaps between the two disciplines and their practitioners.>>

https://www.woodwellclimate.org/staff/spencer-glendon/

Woods Hole Research Center is now Woodwell Climate Research Center, and it provides analyses of climate change impacts for investors. E.g., between them, Wellington Management and CalPers likely have over $1.5 trillion under management, and they now are being advised about how climate change will affect their portfolios by the Woodwell Climate Research Center and Glendon.

https://www.businesswire.com/news/ho...work-Executive

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/08/clim...rs-report.html

Only a firm with a significant grasp of climate change science can assess the risks imposed by climate change on investors.

<<One of the greatest barriers to action is a lack of appreciation for the profound effect climate change has on human systems and global economies. Woodwell is translating far-reaching climate impacts into concrete socioeconomic terms—risk assessments, economic valuations, and cost-benefit analyses—that resonate at the highest levels of government and industry.>>

https://www.woodwellclimate.org/research-area/risk/

You perhaps are confusing Woodwell with the nearby Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution.

https://www.whoi.edu/

We have been hearing "could" and "maybe" for decades. People are over it. Florida will be fine, and will be fine for a very long time. Every year it's "worst hurricane season ever due to climate change" - then nothing. And it just keeps going and going. Anyone with even a little bit of common sense sees right through the scam.

[Corrie22]

LOL...you can't "debunk" NOAA tide gauges .....you've "debunked" nothing....want another one?

Here's NOAA's tide gauge at Fernandina Beach....no change in sea level rise in 123 years.....0.71 feet in 100 years
....global warming has had no effect on sea level rise

Fernandina Beach sea level > https://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sl...tml?id=8720030

Let me know if you want more....NOAA has a ton of them

No tide gauge in Florida even shows 1 ft of sea level rise in 100 years

[BNBR]

Originally Posted by Corrie22

LOL...you can't "debunk" NOAA tide gauges .....you've "debunked" nothing....want another one?

Here's NOAA's tide gauge at Fernandina Beach....no change in sea level rise in 123 years.....0.71 feet in 100 years
....global warming has had no effect on sea level rise

Fernandina Beach sea level > https://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sl...tml?id=8720030

Let me know if you want more....NOAA has a ton of them

No tide gauge in Florida even shows 1 ft of sea level rise in 100 years

That's because to these people, their sea level predictions are nothing more than a doomsday cult. It's like a bad religion, but boy, do they believe every word of it. Fires in California and Oregon? Global warming, of course! Though I remember growing up in California and having similar issues, cars covered in ash, and learning in elementary school about the fire hazards with California forests, including field trips to learn even more about it. It was not a small part of our education there. But hey, now it's just all global warming!

[Corrie22]

...they make predictions....the predictions are wrong....they make more predictions....they are wrong again

wash...rinse...repeat

They have been predicting doom sea level rise for over 70 years....we're all still here

[BNBR]

Originally Posted by Corrie22

...they make predictions....the predictions are wrong....they make more predictions....they are wrong again

wash...rinse...repeat

They have been predicting doom sea level rise for over 70 years....we're all still here

And they'll keep doing it for another 70 years. Around and around we go. Red tide? Climate change. Hurricanes? Climate change. Floods? Fires? Tornadoes? Aunt Betty slipped on ice? Man Made Climate Change!!!!!

[WRnative]

Persons that want to believe in "Big Lie" climate change denialism will do so even as ocean beaches and natural areas increasingly are inundated. Government leaders must deal with reality.


See post 25 in the following thread and post 11 in this thread.


https://www.city-data.com/forum/flor...lerates-3.html

[WRnative]

Originally Posted by BNBR

We have been hearing "could" and "maybe" for decades. People are over it. Florida will be fine, and will be fine for a very long time. Every year it's "worst hurricane season ever due to climate change" - then nothing. And it just keeps going and going. Anyone with even a little bit of common sense sees right through the scam.

Rapid acceleration of hurricanes in the Atlantic basin due to warming oceans is an empirical reality.


https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/25/weath...ion/index.html


Then nothing?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Michael



The issue is what will be the financial consequences when a Category 4 or 5 hurricane does eventually hit a major Florida population center. The denialists seem to believe this is an impossibility. REALLY?????


All others will have to decide on their own whether they choose to heed the warnings of an expert like Spencer Glendon, or believe the anonymous experts with no established credentials who will disappear into the wind when a financial calamity does eventually become reality.


Here's empirical reality about ocean heat content, or hurricane fuel:


<<
The total heat content of the world’s oceans (OHC) in 2019 was the warmest in recorded human history, according to a January 13 paper by Cheng et al., Record-Setting Ocean Warmth Continued in 2019, published in Advances in Atmospheric Sciences. In the uppermost 2000 meters of the oceans, there were 228 Zetta Joules more heat in 2019 than the 1981−2010 average; 2019 had 25 Zetta Joules more OHC than 2018 (a Zetta Joule is one sextillion Joules-- ten to the 21st power). “We found that 2019 was not only the warmest year on record, it displayed the largest single-year increase of the entire decade, a sobering reminder that human-caused heating of our planet continues unabated,” said Penn State’s Dr. Michael Mann, one of the co-authors. The gain in ocean heat between 2018 and 2019 was about 44 times as great as all the energy used by humans in one year.


More than 90% of the increasing heat from human-caused global warming accumulates in the ocean because of its large heat capacity.>>


https://blogs.scientificamerican.com...story-in-2019/


Rising reinsurance rates, which reflect the market's current assessment of financial risk due to Florida hurricane activity, already are powering Florida homeowner insurance premiums higher.


https://www.palmbeachpost.com/story/...rise/41742393/

[Huckleberry3911948]

If you love ca yuma is a whole lot closer and they don’t have alligators

[kokonutty]

Originally Posted by WRnative

Likely VERY WRONG, depending upon lifespan expectations. See post 11 in this thread.

https://www.city-data.com/forum/flor...l#post58962750

<<The chart in this article shows that mean sea level rise could be as much as a foot or more by 2030.

https://www.wlrn.org/environment/201...her-and-faster

The column by the University of Miami's Harold Wanless, one of Florida's foremost experts on sea level rise, explains why sea level rise in Florida will exceed global averages.

<<This means that South Florida should add 35 percent to 72 percent additional rise to the GMSL projections. The total relative sea-level rise for South Florida by 2046 could thus be 2.7 to 3.4 feet, and within 50 years could be 5.7 to 7.2 feet. This is not an encouraging future when you look at elevation maps of South Florida or most any other coast.>>

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/opinion...620-story.html>>



Spencer Glendon, the FINANCIAL expert who recommends Florida homeowners should sell their properties now, is an extremely distinguished investment expert and one of the nation's leading authorities on the impact of climate change on investments.

<<An Investment Expert Says Florida Homeowners Should Sell Property Now As Climate Impacts Worsen>>

https://www.theinvadingsea.com/2019/...mpacts-worsen/

<<For 18 years, Dr. Glendon was a Macroanalyst, Partner, and Director of Investment Research at Wellington Management, an investment management firm with more than $1 trillion in client assets. In that role, he spent several years focusing on models in climate science and finance, and understanding the gaps between the two disciplines and their practitioners.>>

https://www.woodwellclimate.org/staff/spencer-glendon/

Woods Hole Research Center is now Woodwell Climate Research Center, and it provides analyses of climate change impacts for investors. E.g., between them, Wellington Management and CalPers likely have over $1.5 trillion under management, and they now are being advised about how climate change will affect their portfolios by the Woodwell Climate Research Center and Glendon.

https://www.businesswire.com/news/ho...work-Executive

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/08/clim...rs-report.html

Only a firm with a significant grasp of climate change science can assess the risks imposed by climate change on investors.

<<One of the greatest barriers to action is a lack of appreciation for the profound effect climate change has on human systems and global economies. Woodwell is translating far-reaching climate impacts into concrete socioeconomic terms—risk assessments, economic valuations, and cost-benefit analyses—that resonate at the highest levels of government and industry.>>

https://www.woodwellclimate.org/research-area/risk/

You perhaps are confusing Woodwell with the nearby Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution.

https://www.whoi.edu/

If you choose to go with every worst case scenario you can find, you may satisfy yourself but you'll never satisfy anyone looking to make an objective assessment. Utilizing short term, worst case scenarios from an organization whose approach is one of fear mongering and calling them what "could be" and then adding a totally unsupported "or more" of your own tells us exactly where you're coming from.

If you throw your support behind the opinions of those speaking outside their field of expertise you may satisfy yourself but, again no one looking objectively. If you deny that certain groups and individuals like to make headline grabbing claims that don't stand up to the realities of long term science, so be it but don't expect others to take your bait, hook, line and sinker.

If you are at all interested in the truth you need to step back from the alarmist opinions and projections that impress you because you're already sold on the idea that the sky is falling...today.