[LKJ1988]

Originally Posted by Dave_n_Tenn

You should work the hurricane crisis line for storm victims.

Just give me 2 canes a year jane. I hate our boring and dry weather.

[WRnative]

Florida's foremost sea level rise expert discusses sea level rise in coming decades. For those interested in reality, 18 minutes well spent. Next, read his book -- "Moving to Higher Ground: Rising Sea Levels and the Path Forward."

https://www.bdcnetwork.com/oceanogra...-new-horizontv


https://www.amazon.com/Moving-Higher.../dp/1733499911



Even a 20-foot sea wall in Miami "won't keep out sea level rise" due to the city's porous limestone bedrock, according to Englander.


BTW, why is Miami considering a 20-foot sea wall if there is no risk of accelerating sea level rise???


https://theconversation.com/a-20-foo...se-vibe-165076

[Corrie22]

Florida's foremost sea level direct measurements....tide gauges.....say he's totally full of it and trying to sell some books LOL

Originally Posted by Corrie22

Global warming has had no effect on the rate of sea level rise in the entire state of Florida...for over 100 years

....there has been no acceleration in the rate of sea level rise...it's less than 1 foot every 100 years..and is consistent around the entire state

Here's a tour of tide gauges around the entire state...........

Fernandina Beach > https://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sl...tml?id=8720030

Mayport, Florida > https://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sl...tml?id=8720218

Virginia Key > https://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sl...tml?id=8723214

Key West > https://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sl...tml?id=8724580

Naples, Florida > https://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sl...tml?id=8725110

St. Petersburg > https://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sl...tml?id=8726520

Cedar Key > https://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sl...tml?id=8727520

Pensacola, Florida > https://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sl...tml?id=8729840

[Dave_n_Tenn]

Originally Posted by Corrie22

Florida's foremost sea level direct measurements....tide gauges.....say he's totally full of it and trying to sell some books LOL

Facts trumping BS once again

[WRnative]

Florida should join other coastal states in leading and demanding a rapid transition away from fossil fuels, especially given its great potential for clean energy. Instead, Florida remains largely in the grasp of politicians who are climate change deniers and inactivists, often financed by fossil fuel interests. What Florida politicians acknowledge climate change as the top challenge to Florida's future, and promote policies reflecting this reality?



Heed the warnings of one of the top U.S. experts on the Antarctic ice sheet, and the Thwaites Glacier, commonly referred to as the doomsday glacier. There are important points in this article, especially the history and geology of the West Antarctic ice sheet, which are new to me, and I've followed this issue closely for over a decade.



<<But now, as the surrounding air and ocean warm, areas of the Antarctic ice sheet that had been stable for thousands of years are breaking, thinning, melting, or in some cases collapsing in a heap. As these edges of the ice react, they send a powerful reminder: If even a small part of the ice sheet were to completely crumble into the sea, the impact for the world’s coasts would be severe....


In West Antarctica the bedrock is far different, with parts that are far deeper. This area was once the ocean bottom, a region where the continent was stretched and broken into smaller blocks with deep seabed between. Large islands made of volcanic mountain ranges are linked together by the thick blanket of ice. But the ice here is warmer, and moving faster.


As recently as 120,000 years ago, this area was probably an open ocean – and definitely so in the past 2 million years. This is important because our climate today is fast approaching temperatures like those of a few million years ago....


Toward the coast of West Antarctica is a large area of ice called Thwaites Glacier. This is the widest glacier on earth, at 70 miles across, draining an area nearly as large as Idaho.


Satellite data tell us that it is in the early stages of a large-scale retreat. The height of the surface has been dropping by up to 3 feet each year. Huge cracks have formed at the coast, and many large icebergs have been set adrift. The glacier is flowing at over a mile per year, and this speed has nearly doubled in the past three decades....


Water that is capable of melting as much as 50 to 100 feet of ice every year meets the edge of the ice sheet here. This erosion lets the ice flow faster, pushing against the floating ice shelf.


The ice shelf is one of the restraining forces holding the ice sheet back. But pressure from the land ice is slowly breaking this ice plate. Like a board splintering under too much weight, it is developing huge cracks. When it gives way – and mapping of the fractures and speed of flow
suggests this is just a few years away – it will be another step that allows the ice to flow faster, feeding the feedback loop.


>>


https://theconversation.com/ice-shel...umbling-185509



https://scitechdaily.com/antarctic-g...in-5500-years/



https://theconversation.com/ice-worl...ts-grip-178828


https://news.climate.columbia.edu/20...than-expected/

[WRnative]

Originally Posted by Corrie22

Florida's foremost sea level direct measurements....tide gauges.....say he's totally full of it and trying to sell some books LOL

Originally Posted by Dave_n_Tenn

Facts trumping BS once again

As noted repeatedly, and explained thoroughly, Corrie is ridiculously reporting long-term mean averages and ignoring readings over the last couple decades that definitively show accelerating sea level rise.


The next update, likely in 2023, of sea level rise projections by the Southeast Florida Regional Climate Change Compact should be frightening, as NOAA already is projecting a certain sea level rise of up to 18 inches in Florida by 2050. See post 161 for a link to NOAA's Sea Level Rise Viewer. Well before 2050, Florida's beaches will begin to disappear.



https://www.city-data.com/forum/flori...erates-17.html



https://southeastfloridaclimatecompa...e-projections/


<<
Doug Marcy, a coastal hazards specialist with NOAA, says by 2050, high tide flooding on a national scale is expected to be between about 45 to 70 days a year on average.
In Miami, they will increase to 60 times a year, and between 70 and 110 times a year in St. Petersburg.>>


https://wusfnews.wusf.usf.edu/enviro...sea-level-rise

[Arcenal813]

Oh boy… here we go again.

[Corrie22]

Originally Posted by WRnative

As noted repeatedly, and explained thoroughly, Corrie is ridiculously reporting long-term mean averages and ignoring readings over the last couple decades that definitively show accelerating sea level rise.

no I'm not...and you know it

sea level rise in south Florida stopped 7 years ago

you don't need to prove me wrong....you need to prove NOAA's tide gauges wrong

if you plot the trend for the past 7 years.....it's flat

tides gauges are not projections or wishes or fairy dust......tide gauges are facts

Key West > https://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sl..._meantrend.png

Miami > https://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sl..._meantrend.png

[sinatras]

While Floridians bicker over whether climate change is real, California is about to ban gasoline-powered cars.

I guess we shall see who is right!

As a native Floridian, I will say that Florida's springs, beaches and rivers are a lot more polluted than they were in my youth. And some of them (springs, rivers) have even dried up. Dunno whether that's climate change, but we are going in the wrong direction, that's for sure.

[beach43ofus]

People keep finding Megdalon dinosaur bones in my neighborhood...prehistoric massive sharks.

Shark swim in the oceans, & cannot walk on land...right?

So, finding prehistoric shark bones on land implies Florida was once under water, then it rose up out of the water, or the water receded...right?

So, now the climate change folks are saying all of that has suddenly reversed course, and Florida is sinking again, or the water level is rising? When did this change occur? Is it because of humans, & what proof can they provide that EVERY climate scientist agrees to?

I'be been in Florida on and off for 40+ years, & I see no difference, other than beach erosion in a few places that they need to backfill. Compared to 40 years ago, Siesta Key Beach appears to be rising up out of the Gulf...so much sand now. I used to be able to take 100 steps until I hit the waters edge, and now its 200+ steps.