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Old 03-20-2018, 01:46 PM
 
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The reason we invaded Iraq was to get rid of Saddam and install a democratic government which is no longer a threat to our regional allies. Not for WMD (Bush's lame excuse), not for oil and not for any other reason put forth by the Putin government. I'm not debating the Iraq war here, and not claiming it was right or wrong, just establishing some facts for the Russified brain syndrome I see on here.

Putin is defending what's left of the world's despots against the threat of democracy. We aren't blind to this...
Cheney convened a committee of energy executives shortly before the invasion.

It was all about getting the oil. They even bragged about how the oil would pay for the reconstruction of Iraq and American construction companies would reap the benefits, which they did.

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...arcity-economy

Iran, Sudan, Somalia, Yemen, Syria, and others are largely about oil and gas reserves and transit routes.
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Old 03-20-2018, 01:52 PM
 
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Is that why Russia bombs Syrian schools and hospitals daily? Because they have been declared foreign terrorists and therefore marked for death? Those Syrians who just raised their flag in Afrin for the first time yesterday...they are actually from planet terrorist? The guys that Russian planes have been bombing in Idlib for 18 months, also from this mysterious planet? Or are they western European invaders? LOL

Putin will kill as many Syrians as necessary to keep a murderous regime in power, how noble. I'm sure he would do the same for Belarus if it comes to that.
And not one word in your statement about the US-backed terrorist groups using the civilians and Syria's infrastructure as shields in a war.

Those aren't Syrians in Afrin except for civilians. The fighters are either Kurdish YPG militia or ISIS takfiris backed by the Turkish armed forces.

When is the US going to bomb Idlib since the Al Qaeda forces have been herded into the governate under cease-fire agreements elsewhere? The US has legal authorization under the 2001 AUMF. When are they going to bomb Al Qaeda? They used the AUMF in 2015 to deploy the air force in Syria under the false ruse of a non-existent terror cell called the Khorasan Group.

The US has probably far surpassed Assad in the number of deaths generated in the war on Syria, 500,000.

It's sad that there are now more refugees seeking asylum than after the second World War as a result of the fake war on terror by the United States. 65 million people fled their homes in 2016.
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Old 03-20-2018, 02:58 PM
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Same old story on here, Russia causes problems and convinces its own people that its America's fault.

Who needs to compare the past? Look today at Has in Idlib, Russians killing kids on purpose. Its unhuman acts they must have learned from Nazis
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Old 03-20-2018, 03:09 PM
 
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No one is killing civilians on purpose, ridiculous to suggest. It is a civil war, the combat engagements are in populated areas full of non-combatants. The terrorists and rebels do not wear uniforms nor do they attempt to set up away from civilians. Syria and Russia are not using precision munitions because they either do not have any, as is the case for Syria, or they are too expensive and not many in inventory, as is the case with Russia. The US, with its superior precision munitions and ground intel, still kills civilians and strikes hospitals.

You know what would save civilian lives? To stop arming and assisting terrorists and rebels, and for those two groups to lay down arms, the war would stop right away. But seems the terrorists and rebels and their supporters do not care about civilians getting killed.

Turkey has now invaded Syria, over 500 civilians so far killed in the action, yet the silence about it is deafening.
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Old 03-20-2018, 03:23 PM
 
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Syria and Russia are not using precision munitions because they either do not have any, as is the case for Syria, or they are too expensive and not many in inventory, as is the case with Russia. The US, with its superior precision munitions and ground intel, still kills civilians and strikes hospitals.
In Syria, Russian ground Intel has often outperformed American one, Russia does have plenty of precision munitions...but let's say that in Syria they wanted to get the job done resolutely....
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Old 03-20-2018, 03:36 PM
 
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No one is killing civilians on purpose, ridiculous to suggest. It is a civil war, the combat engagements are in populated areas full of non-combatants. The terrorists and rebels do not wear uniforms nor do they attempt to set up away from civilians. Syria and Russia are not using precision munitions because they either do not have any, as is the case for Syria, or they are too expensive and not many in inventory, as is the case with Russia. The US, with its superior precision munitions and ground intel, still kills civilians and strikes hospitals.

You know what would save civilian lives? To stop arming and assisting terrorists and rebels, and for those two groups to lay down arms, the war would stop right away. But seems the terrorists and rebels and their supporters do not care about civilians getting killed.

Turkey has now invaded Syria, over 500 civilians so far killed in the action, yet the silence about it is deafening.
Both the US and Russians are bombing civilians. In some areas, it is intentional if they're viewed as having popular support. That has been the case in areas of Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Yemen, and Syria as these groups are not only local insurgents but foreign invaders that come in and set up permanent bases with economic infrastructure, such as the farms in E. Ghouta recently discovered by the Syrian army. ISIS and Al Qaeda groups come in and become the local government since they have outside supply lines from the US coalition.
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Old 03-20-2018, 04:01 PM
 
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And not one word in your statement about the US-backed terrorist groups using the civilians and Syria's infrastructure as shields in a war.

Those aren't Syrians in Afrin except for civilians. The fighters are either Kurdish YPG militia or ISIS takfiris backed by the Turkish armed forces.

When is the US going to bomb Idlib since the Al Qaeda forces have been herded into the governate under cease-fire agreements elsewhere? The US has legal authorization under the 2001 AUMF. When are they going to bomb Al Qaeda? They used the AUMF in 2015 to deploy the air force in Syria under the false ruse of a non-existent terror cell called the Khorasan Group.

The US has probably far surpassed Assad in the number of deaths generated in the war on Syria, 500,000.

It's sad that there are now more refugees seeking asylum than after the second World War as a result of the fake war on terror by the United States. 65 million people fled their homes in 2016.
There aren't even that many people in Syria. Where did you get that number?
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Old 03-20-2018, 04:16 PM
 
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I do not see it as a conspiracy given it is a fact, even state by Bush himself, there was no WMD program in Iraq, which was the primary reason for the invasion. Russian TV in general gives little to no time to such affairs; how much Russian TV you actually watch?

You are correct that Russia in Syria is opposite of US in Iraq, in that Russia was invited by the Syrian government, and Iraq never invited the US.
We've already established that the invasion was carried out under a false pretext. It was neither about WMD nor oil, but about removing Saddam who on multiple occasions threatened Israel. In the 80's the Israeli Air Force took out one of Iraq's nuclear sites. Defending the only functional democracy in the middle east is a noble goal, even if the war itself was a mistake.

Russia's invitation to Syria is questionable at best, as the regime that did so is not accepted by all the parties. In many ways, it's similar to the US intervention on behalf of the South Vietnamese government in the 60's.
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Old 03-20-2018, 04:30 PM
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No one is killing civilians on purpose, ridiculous to suggest. It is a civil war, the combat engagements are in populated areas full of non-combatants. The terrorists and rebels do not wear uniforms nor do they attempt to set up away from civilians. Syria and Russia are not using precision munitions because they either do not have any, as is the case for Syria, or they are too expensive and not many in inventory, as is the case with Russia. The US, with its superior precision munitions and ground intel, still kills civilians and strikes hospitals.

You know what would save civilian lives? To stop arming and assisting terrorists and rebels, and for those two groups to lay down arms, the war would stop right away. But seems the terrorists and rebels and their supporters do not care about civilians getting killed.

Turkey has now invaded Syria, over 500 civilians so far killed in the action, yet the silence about it is deafening.
Has is 100 miles from any front line or fighting. It was literally a refugee camp. This is terror bombing at best.
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Old 03-20-2018, 04:39 PM
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There aren't even that many people in Syria. Where did you get that number?
Not the only thing he is making up, but like I pointed out earlier, all of these things are presented as truth on Russian TV shows.
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