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Old 01-01-2016, 01:01 PM
 
Location: Texas
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I argued why his economic policies work or would help this country, no response except that eminent domain would be required to build the wall (which is necessary)
Which economic policies? Like being for bailouts and single payer. Those two hurt the economy.

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I talked about foreign policies and being less hawkish (against the military industrial complex) and work with Russia rather than trying to shoot down one of their planes, no response
Work with Russia to shoot down one of their planes to be exact. He still wants us involved in the Middle East which will make us less safe.
"GOP presidential candidate Donald Trump said Monday the so-called Islamic State's headquarters in Syria should have been hit even harder, well before Friday's terrorist attacks in Paris."

So which is it he wants to get out or stay involved?

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Every post was, he's a bully who is un presidential and bullied the Scots building a golf course.
nonsense

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You can complain that you don't like him but that doesn't change the situation this country is in and complaining he was a tough negotiator as a business man is missing the point, when he was a business man he used his skills and won, no he wants to help this country win against broken trade deals with countries and corporations who have no interests in helping Americans and yet no one can explain to me why this is wrong.
We shouldn't have managed trade deals THAT is the problem. We need the free market.

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Hillary shares most of your talking points that Trump is a bully and instead elect me because I'll say nice things while starting WWIII, sending your children to die fighting ISIS, broker deals like the TTP to fasten the decline of the middle class. Then what will you be saying, Trump is a mean bully unlike our great leaders such as Paul Ryan, Nancy Pelosi, Mitch McConnell, or Harry Reid?
Trump wants to stay involved in the Middle East and fight ISIS. We don't need to get involved in other countries Civil Wars. That is why they attack us. That is why we are less safe.
"bomb the hell out of the oil fields"

“You said you’d put ground troops on the ground in Iraq?” Trump responded, “Well, we’re going to to do something with ISIS. I was totally against the war in Iraq, and I was from the beginning, 2003, 2004, because you’re going to destabilize the Middle East. I was right, and should be given credit, because out of everybody running, i’m the one person that said don’t do it.”
When asked how he would put ground troops in Iraq, but not Syria, since there really isn’t a border between the two countries, he stated, “Let Syria and ISIS fight. Why are we — why do we care? Let ISIS and Syria fight. And let Russia, they’re in Syria already, let them fight ISIS. Look, I don’t want ISIS. ISIS is bad. They’re evil. When they start doing with the head-chopping, and drowning of — these are really bad dues, so I don’t want them. But let them fight it out. Let Russia take care of ISIS. How many places can we be?”


So which is it he wants to get out or stay involved? How can you tell what he's for?

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Ganging up on me in defense of your favorite establishment candidate won't help anyone
Ignoring all the posts that refute your unfounded statement of "no one is refuting my point" won't help anyone.

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Old 01-01-2016, 01:38 PM
 
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His policy on getting Mexico to pay for the wall is very descriptive. the wall itself would create a flurry of investments in real-estate and beyond as the wall will become something of an attraction do to it's physical appearance and grandness.
That's just silly. There's one thing that drives economies in border towns: Goods and people moving across the border.
 
Old 01-01-2016, 01:43 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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That's just silly. There's one thing that drives economies in border towns: Goods and people moving across the border.
Trade will still occur even with the wall as there would be clear large passages to get from one side of the wall to another via doors
 
Old 01-01-2016, 01:47 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Which economic policies? Like being for bailouts and single payer. Those two hurt the economy.

Work with Russia to shoot down one of their planes to be exact. He still wants us involved in the Middle East which will make us less safe.
"GOP presidential candidate Donald Trump said Monday the so-called Islamic State's headquarters in Syria should have been hit even harder, well before Friday's terrorist attacks in Paris."

So which is it he wants to get out or stay involved?

nonsense

We shouldn't have managed trade deals THAT is the problem. We need the free market.

Trump wants to stay involved in the Middle East and fight ISIS. We don't need to get involved in other countries Civil Wars. That is why they attack us. That is why we are less safe.
"bomb the hell out of the oil fields"

“You said you’d put ground troops on the ground in Iraq?” Trump responded, “Well, we’re going to to do something with ISIS. I was totally against the war in Iraq, and I was from the beginning, 2003, 2004, because you’re going to destabilize the Middle East. I was right, and should be given credit, because out of everybody running, i’m the one person that said don’t do it.”
When asked how he would put ground troops in Iraq, but not Syria, since there really isn’t a border between the two countries, he stated, “Let Syria and ISIS fight. Why are we — why do we care? Let ISIS and Syria fight. And let Russia, they’re in Syria already, let them fight ISIS. Look, I don’t want ISIS. ISIS is bad. They’re evil. When they start doing with the head-chopping, and drowning of — these are really bad dues, so I don’t want them. But let them fight it out. Let Russia take care of ISIS. How many places can we be?”

So which is it he wants to get out or stay involved? How can you tell what he's for?

Ignoring all the posts that refute your unfounded statement of "no one is refuting my point" won't help anyone.



defeating ISIS once and for all is a very easy task if we can work with everyone and not involve more ground troops. the reason it is not happening right now is a case of multiple layers including our lack of interest in finishing the task, petty fights with Russia and Assad, alongside our support of "moderate" rebels that don't exist. Trump is against ground troops and the rest of your argument is wrong so there isn't much else to be said
 
Old 01-01-2016, 01:48 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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That's just silly. There's one thing that drives economies in border towns: Goods and people moving across the border.
Drugs and crime aren't always the best type of goods you'd want to be trading
 
Old 01-01-2016, 01:51 PM
 
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I despise Trump, old rich white guy pretending to be a populist.

These white people who support him are stupid.
 
Old 01-01-2016, 01:52 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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I despite Trump, old rich white guy pretending to be a populist.
Reminds of the fake populist Ross Perot...
 
Old 01-01-2016, 01:55 PM
mm4
 
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Reminds of the fake populist Ross Perot...
The fake who reminded progressives of their leftist, globalist NAFTA's "giant sucking sound going south"?
 
Old 01-01-2016, 02:01 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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for all non-Trump supporters I believe I can convince you to vote for him if you would only list your grievances towards him as president.


the media likes saying Christie is a thinking mans Trump or low-information supporters support Trump (as if you were highly informed you would vote for Jeb!) which I strongly disagree with. this applies to democrats to so they can switch over from the corrupt DNC and Hillary
Here is a good beginning for a Trump speech (too long for a Tweet). This speech in its original form was delivered in Germany on January 30, 1945 and is thus public domain:
German compatriots! National Socialists! Twelve years ago, when, as the leader of the strongest party, I was entrusted by the deceased Reich President, [Field Marshal Paul] von Hindenburg, with the office of Chancellor, Germany found herself faced with the same situation internally as the one that today faces it externally. The forces of economic destruction and annihilation of the Versailles dictate led to a situation that had gradually become a permanent one-namely, the existence of almost 7,000,000 unemployed,
7,000,000 part-time workers, a destroyed farmers' class, a ruined industry and a commerce that had become correspondingly prostrate.

The German ports were nothing but ship cemeteries. The financial situation of the country threatened at any moment to lead to a collapse not only of the state but also of the provinces and of the communities. The decisive thing, however, was this: Behind this methodical destruction of Germany's economy, there stood the specter of Asiatic bolshevism. It , was there then, just as much as it is there today. In the, years before our assumption of power the bourgeois world was incapable of opposing this development effectively on a small scale, just as it is incapable of doing so today on a large scale. Even after the· collapse of 1918 this bourgeois world had failed to realize that an old world was vanishing and a new one being born and that there is no use in supporting and thus artificially maintaining what has been found to be decayed and rotten, but that something healthy must be substituted for it. A social structure that had become obsolete had cracked and every attempt to maintain it was bound to fail. Calls "Bourgeoisie" Still Doomed It was no different from today on a large scale, when the bourgeois states are doomed and when only clearly defined and ideologically consolidated national communities can survive the most difficult crisis Europe has seen in many centuries.

**************

Thereupon Judaism began systematically to undermine our nation from within, and it found its best ally in those narrow-minded bourgeoisie who would not recognize that the era of a bourgeois world is ended and will never again return, that the epoch of unbridled economic liberalism has outlived itself and can only lead to its self-destruction and, above all, that the great tasks of our time can be mastered only under an authoritarian coordination of natural strength, based on the law of: same rights for all and, thence, of same duties.

 
Old 01-01-2016, 02:06 PM
mm4
 
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Here is a good beginning for a Trump speech (too long for a Tweet). This speech in its original form was delivered in Germany on January 30, 1945 and is thus public domain:
German compatriots! National Socialists! Twelve years ago, when, as the leader of the strongest party, I was entrusted by the deceased Reich President, [Field Marshal Paul] von Hindenburg, with the office of Chancellor, Germany found herself faced with the same situation internally as the one that today faces it externally. The forces of economic destruction and annihilation of the Versailles dictate led to a situation that had gradually become a permanent one-namely, the existence of almost 7,000,000 unemployed,
7,000,000 part-time workers, a destroyed farmers' class, a ruined industry and a commerce that had become correspondingly prostrate.

The German ports were nothing but ship cemeteries. The financial situation of the country threatened at any moment to lead to a collapse not only of the state but also of the provinces and of the communities. The decisive thing, however, was this: Behind this methodical destruction of Germany's economy, there stood the specter of Asiatic bolshevism. It , was there then, just as much as it is there today. In the, years before our assumption of power the bourgeois world was incapable of opposing this development effectively on a small scale, just as it is incapable of doing so today on a large scale. Even after the· collapse of 1918 this bourgeois world had failed to realize that an old world was vanishing and a new one being born and that there is no use in supporting and thus artificially maintaining what has been found to be decayed and rotten, but that something healthy must be substituted for it. A social structure that had become obsolete had cracked and every attempt to maintain it was bound to fail. Calls "Bourgeoisie" Still Doomed It was no different from today on a large scale, when the bourgeois states are doomed and when only clearly defined and ideologically consolidated national communities can survive the most difficult crisis Europe has seen in many centuries.

**************

Thereupon Judaism began systematically to undermine our nation from within, and it found its best ally in those narrow-minded bourgeoisie who would not recognize that the era of a bourgeois world is ended and will never again return, that the epoch of unbridled economic liberalism has outlived itself and can only lead to its self-destruction and, above all, that the great tasks of our time can be mastered only under an authoritarian coordination of natural strength, based on the law of: same rights for all and, thence, of same duties.

Because everybody knows that conservatives love to show up and mingle at functions where National (i.e., NPR, NOW, NARAL) "Socialist Workers" are. Just as progressives love to support their Tee-Partei.

And it won't stop a chastened, embarrassed progressive left whenever it senses public approbation at discovering the dark underbelly, yet again, of progressivism. Then--as with the left's Hitler--it's, "Obama's really a rightie," squeals the antecedents of their forerunners in the European Socialist Workers movement. "Yes he is!" Same verse, same playbook.

As it publishes yet another progressive leftist Hitler 99%-1% speech against the bourgeoisie.

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