Coronavirus in DFW - News & Discussion (Van, Detroit: mosquitoes, factory)

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by DPatel304

I'd imagine nurses/caretakers are being pretty responsible and careful about not transmitting this to their patients, no?

I'm not sure about house cleaners, and isn't the chance of getting this from food pretty low?

What an odd question, you seem to be assuming that everyone over the age of 60 or 70 doesn't work, and have no responsibilities outside of their home and can afford nurses, caretakers and house cleaners.

• My husband worked until he was 72 and at 76 he will be working as a supervisor for the census when it starts back up next month.
• 15% of people over 70 have jobs
• 43% of physicians are over 55 as are 33% of scientists.
• In 2012, 2.7 million grandparents in the U.S. were raising their grandchildren.
• About 39 percent of these grandparent caregivers have cared for their grandchildren for five years or more.

So, do you still think that we should force all those 'old people' to isolate themselves so that you and your friends can have delicious fun running around in crowds without wearing masks passing the virus around and laughing that it's no worse than the common cold unless you're old?

[DPatel304]

Originally Posted by Ralph_Kirk

Sixty percent of people over 60 years old are still in the workforce.

Forty percent of people over 60 years old still in the workforce.

Seventy percent of people over 60 years old are living with a younger relative. Some are still even supporting that younger relative.

In those cases, I would hope the workforce would make an exception. I realize that's not the reality, but that would be my hope.

Same with the younger relative. If you are a young person who is coming into contact with an elderly person, you need to be more responsible. I haven't seen my parents during this time because of that fact, and I've also been pretty careful myself (although, admittedly, I've been far from perfect).

Originally Posted by move4ward

If their jobsite requires their employees onsite, they need to show up or get fired. They aren't laid off, as soon as they hit 50. They compose most of the middle management ranks. As individual contributors, they have the most experience and knowledge at the office. At my employer, there are thousands of employees over 50 at different offices in Texas.

Why don't we do an updated version of Logan's Run, where workers reincarnate at 50 or laid off?

What is with these younger generations? smh

That is something I would have hoped could have changed so that people in the at-risk category weren't forced into that position.

Originally Posted by Katana49

Probably about as hard as it is for you to realize that your post was completely devoid of thought or compassion.

I'm simply opening up the topic for discussion to hear different ideas and approaches to handling this.

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

What an odd question, you seem to be assuming that everyone over the age of 60 or 70 doesn't work, and have no responsibilities outside of their home and can afford nurses, caretakers and house cleaners.

• My husband worked until he was 72 and at 76 he will be working as a supervisor for the census when it starts back up next month.
• 15% of people over 70 have jobs
• 43% of physicians are over 55 as are 33% of scientists.
• In 2012, 2.7 million grandparents in the U.S. were raising their grandchildren.
• About 39 percent of these grandparent caregivers have cared for their grandchildren for five years or more.

So, do you still think that we should force all those 'old people' to isolate themselves so that you and your friends can have delicious fun running around in crowds without wearing masks passing the virus around and laughing that it's no worse than the common cold unless you're old?

I think changes need to be made so that the eldery (and high-risk) aren't forced to go into work.

I'm not sure why you think I want to have delicious fun running around in crowds without wearing masks and passing the virus. I'm wondering if there is a benefit to getting more young/healthy people infected and then recovered which could potentially create more immunity within our community. That's why I'm asking these questions. Ideally nobody would get the virus, but unfortunatley we failed that plan, so now we have to live with it.

[PriscillaVanilla]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

What an odd question, you seem to be assuming that everyone over the age of 60 or 70 doesn't work, and have no responsibilities outside of their home and can afford nurses, caretakers and house cleaners.

This is what gets to me. Some people keep saying "people over 60" should just stay home all the time.

It is simply not an option for many of them.

Many people over 60 are raising their grandkids - as in, full time parenting. Half the people picking up kids at my children's school are the grandparents - not the parents.

Also, not everyone can retire in their late 50s or 60s. Many people need to work, like....so they can have food to eat.

[PriscillaVanilla]

Originally Posted by As Above So Below...

Most people who go into the hospital don’t have permanent damage.

I was asking for actual statistics. (Hospitalization rate)

This is an opinion.

[PriscillaVanilla]

Originally Posted by sanz7887

I am still confused when Mask became equal to Freedom

But then how difficult is for the leader of the country to wear a mask. Giving a false impression of security while availing testing and other medical facilities at the white house makes the common man think that somehow the virus can be defeated if we scream . This is America. We fight for our freedom by not wearing masks

It's been proven that even people with asthma can wear a face covering without their oxygen levels dropping at all.

Even for the tiny percentage of people who do have serious breathing problems, they can still put a loose covering over their mouth & nose.

Even doctors and nurses who wear a mask all day long, do so without any difficulty breathing.

There is no "loss of freedom" when a person is required to wear pants to walk into a building. If we are required to cover our private parts, why is it a problem to cover our mouths?

[4Movingeast]

I am wearing a KN95 or a level 3 surgical mask with a shield clipped on to my loupes for 2-3 hours at a time. Sometimes I can doff my mask between pts but it's more often the case I cannot. My breathing is just fine. NO headaches, no fuzzy brain or any of the other "reported" issues. I do feel for front line hospital workers wearing N95 for very long periods (ie, a 12 hour shift). That is TOTALLY different. And it's worlds away from "Karen" whining about wearing a mask to the grocery store.

My husband had to fly to TN (they had put it off as long as possible). He wore N95 the entire flight there and back (so, 2 hours plus each way) and used a Level 2 surgical mask in the airport. I trained him how to safely don/doff the masks. He is a 50 year old non health care worker who has seasonal asthma and allergies and he was FINE. Completely full flights both ways.

[Ralph_Kirk]

Originally Posted by PriscillaVanilla

It's been proven that even people with asthma can wear a face covering without their oxygen levels dropping at all.

Even for the tiny percentage of people who do have serious breathing problems, they can still put a loose covering over their mouth & nose.

Even doctors and nurses who wear a mask all day long, do so without any difficulty breathing.

There is no "loss of freedom" when a person is required to wear pants to walk into a building. If we are required to cover our private parts, why is it a problem to cover our mouths?

If a Floridian makes a trip to Denver, then wears an N-95 mask and spends a lot of time walking the city, he may feel a bit more fatigue.

[Ralph_Kirk]

Originally Posted by DPatel304

In those cases, I would hope the workforce would make an exception. I realize that's not the reality, but that would be my hope.

Same with the younger relative. If you are a young person who is coming into contact with an elderly person, you need to be more responsible. I haven't seen my parents during this time because of that fact, and I've also been pretty careful myself (although, admittedly, I've been far from perfect).



That is something I would have hoped could have changed so that people in the at-risk category weren't forced into that position.



I'm simply opening up the topic for discussion to hear different ideas and approaches to handling this.



I think changes need to be made so that the eldery (and high-risk) aren't forced to go into work.

I'm not sure why you think I want to have delicious fun running around in crowds without wearing masks and passing the virus. I'm wondering if there is a benefit to getting more young/healthy people infected and then recovered which could potentially create more immunity within our community. That's why I'm asking these questions. Ideally nobody would get the virus, but unfortunatley we failed that plan, so now we have to live with it.

Hecks yes, a national retirement program that would allow people to retire at 60 at the full pay of their last job sounds peachy. Sign me up for that.



It's not going to happen this year, though.

[Wittgenstein's Ghost]

Originally Posted by DPatel304

I'm wondering if there is a benefit to getting more young/healthy people infected and then recovered which could potentially create more immunity within our community. That's why I'm asking these questions. Ideally nobody would get the virus, but unfortunatley we failed that plan, so now we have to live with it.

"Herd immunity" is probably the most misunderstood concept in all of this. It doesn't begin to kick it at all until at least 50% of the population is infected. Even if you think cases are underreported by a factor of ten, we've only had about 8% of the population infected.

We will almost certainly have a vaccine before we have natural herd immunity.

[Ralph_Kirk]

Originally Posted by Wittgenstein's Ghost

"Herd immunity" is probably the most misunderstood concept in all of this. It doesn't begin to kick it at all until at least 50% of the population is infected. Even if you think cases are underreported by a factor of ten, we've only had about 8% of the population infected.

We will almost certainly have a vaccine before we have natural herd immunity.

What are some of the satisfactory examples of natural herd immunity from a deadly disease that didn't involve vaccines?