Woman Cited in Confrontation With 12-Year-Old Boy Riding Bike on Santa Ana, California, Sidewalk
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If space does not allow either of those options, the bike rider dismounts to pass the pedestrian. The least protected person is always given the most protected status. Pedestrian>bike>>>electric bike>>motorcycle>car
That's not true. Motorcycles and cars are treated the same. I know because I own both.
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Originally Posted by Metlakatla
Never heard of this; when/where was it?
I never heard of it either. That seems crazy but it also sounds like a good idea lol!
I haven’t heard of a bike license in ages.
I think we had them in NorCal when I was a pup.
Wasn’t it a metallic piece of tape or something connected to the bike?
I may have that confused with a registration tag but I do remember something about the bike license.
Maybe a rider safety check out at the police station or a school event?
You can guess the general age range of the posters here just by their reaction and comments. Young people feel entitled to do what they want. Older people feel entitled to be protected by society when they follow rules and conventions.
I'm old. When we rode bikes even in elementry school we needed a bike license. There were rules. And in the US by convention we walk toward the right when passing shoulder to shoulder and faster entities pass to the left after alerting the person on the right that they are doing so.
If space does not allow either of those options, the bike rider dismounts to pass the pedestrian. The least protected person is always given the most protected status. Pedestrian>bike>>>electric bike>>motorcycle>car
I'm 47 and solidly on the kid's side. He did NOTHING wrong, he was legally allowed to ride on the sidewalk, and he came to a complete stop LONG before he was in any proximity to her, SHE approached him and was the one who instigated the drama.
Watch the damn video and stop being so sanctimonious.
I see the conversation has not improved since I was here last. Guys this is not difficult.
People use Go Pros all the time, there was nothing "weird" at all about this. As has been pointed out the video started there because that was the pertinently point, the rest of the video was simply the view of a bike ride and totally irrelevant to the story.
Riding on the sidewalk was perfectly legal, his mom instructed him to do just this to keep him safe. He did absolutely nothing wrong regardless of where his home is.
The woman approached the kid and physically confronted him. Again he did nothing wrong, she did which is why she was arrested.
Nobody said anything close to wanting to "hang" this woman, another idiotic comment. We just want her to be held accountable for her actions which she was with the arrest.
Pretty simply stuff really but poster as always want to make it more complicated than it was.
If you have something to post to me, quote me directly to say it.
There is more of this video and back story, so you're wrong.
You're right though, the kid did nothing wrong in the video you're defending.
I personally have never said she should not be held accountable for hitting him, I've said it before, she handled it badly, but seeing more of the video, I now understand more of why she "seems to go from zero to 100" without being provoked which appears to not be the case after finding out she was already speaking to his friends about whatever else happened, which is still not known from seeing more of this incident.
If you're talking about me when you say "poster as always want to make it more complicated than it was" I'm simply trying to find out the whole story, not just this piece of it.
You can see more of the video in my comment below. Will that change any of your opinion though? I'm not talking about her hitting him because I said it was wrong. I'm talking about that there is more history behind what happened.
And, I can easily say that there are people posting who love to comment on threads like this saying that's the absolute truth of what happened when in fact it is not because we've only been given a tiny shred of information that people who seem to be middle ground, say that it is not the whole story.
As I've said, I've raised kids and now grand kids, I know there are 3 versions of what the actual truth is, there is each person's version with the truth somewhere in the middle. We're not going to get the truth from either the woman or Jeffrey and his parents but I guarantee, it is somewhere in the middle.
There is obviously history between the kids on bikes with this woman, that's my take after seeing more of the video, plus add Jeffrey's parents to it, just like they say in the article below that I am linking to and quoting where they say that but they do not give the history unfortunately.
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Originally Posted by luv4horses
You can guess the general age range of the posters here just by their reaction and comments. Young people feel entitled to do what they want. Older people feel entitled to be protected by society when they follow rules and conventions.
I'm old. When we rode bikes even in elementry school we needed a bike license. There were rules. And in the US by convention we walk toward the right when passing shoulder to shoulder and faster entities pass to the left after alerting the person on the right that they are doing so.
If space does not allow either of those options, the bike rider dismounts to pass the pedestrian. The least protected person is always given the most protected status. Pedestrian>bike>>>electric bike>>motorcycle>car
Thanks, you may be older than me, I don't remember a bicycle license. I had one for a moped. It sounds like he has an E-bike but article states he does not. You're right, ride dismounts bike, let's person walk by if walking
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Originally Posted by luv4horses
Bike licenses? For kids and all (but only kids seemed to ride bikes back then) in the 50s and early 60s in Southern California.
And yeah, stopping 15 ft ahead of someone is reasonable but it still may have been frightening if it was abrupt.
Yes, you're older than me lol We didn't have them in NJ from 65 until I drove in the early 80's.
I think Jeffrey and his friend on the bike had gotten too close to the woman while they were riding on the side walk before this all went down because she was already shaken and wound up when he drove back around with his camera.
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Originally Posted by Arcenal813
But... Here's the thing: He stopped a solid 15+ feet in front of her. He slowed down, and then came to a full stop. He did the right thing. He didn't just keep going, threatening to plow into her.
Yeah, he slowed down then came to a full stop because he was wearing his camera. Watch the video in my link below that shows more of the history, how she was already speaking to at least one of his friends also about his bike riding.
I feel like he ran in the house to grab his camera, then came back out, that's what we're seeing, but then again, if he was wearing the camera the whole time, he's not going to release the before hand on when she originally stopped at least his friend who she's speaking to, saying that she knows where they live.
I hope that she ends up speaking to give her version of what happened before the video.
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Originally Posted by SnazzyB
In the link provided, it has stated that this lady and the family are neighbors, and they've had interactions before, according to the mom.
Perhaps not right next door...who knows...but certainly seems to be on the same street.
I just googled to see if I can find better information then "they're neighbors" which I know. That does not tell me how close she lives to them.
I have a bunch of neighbors, one next to me, then about 7 on the other side of the street. It was not known if Jeffrey and his parents live at that house where Jeffrey stopped his bike.
I'm sure you know by now that I like details, especially with threads like this one. The first article, does say that "The footage starts off showing Jeffrey, less than 100-feet away from his home, riding his bike down one of many of the neighborhood’s sidewalks. Garcia is in front of the boy’s home along with two of the other boy’s friends. It also says there is another board member there but I am not seeing a third person. The first article actually has more of the video then either of the links in this thread. It also links to Jeffrey's tik tok which his user name is interestingly mcfadden_fights, then says Big balla · 2021-12-12
I'm curious what happened before this that she is already in front of his house, speaking to two of his friends, one that is also on a bike. It makes me wonder if she was speaking to them about not riding their bikes on the side walk.
She is obviously wound up about something, seems like Jeffrey is too when this video starts. You can barely hear her confronting the other 2 kids saying something like "you don't think I know where you live?" "we know exactly where you live" then Jeffrey pulls up, she says "and that one too" she then says to him "get the h*ll off the sidewalk" you then know the rest, this video then continues, we can not only see that she is in fact standing in Jeffrey's driveway but that his front door is wide open with the lights on, she walks up, telling mom to come outside to "tell her story" while Jeffrey is also screaming for his mother to come outside.
She is wound up, saying he tried to run her over with his bike, that she's standing on the side walk with another HOA board member to which his mother says "well it's a good thing he has a camera strapped to his chest right now." She says "come on, let me see it" she also starts walking away towards her house, Jeffrey starts smart mouthing for her to get a life and go home, she was already walking home. He's being a snot nosed, big balled kid saying go away, you don't hit children it's against the law. She once again says she was standing on the sidewalk speaking to another board member who we never see, he then tells both his parents that she hit him. Then the video cuts off with Jeffrey pushing his bicycle in the front door.
The second article gives more information, apparently I'm right that there is history between this woman, Jeffrey and possibly his family, so this was not the first incident like I thought. I'm not seeing that they give any more details on what that history is.
Shocking camera footage shared by a kid, who goes by @McFadden_Fights on TikTok and later identified as Jeffrey by his Mom (Whitney Gregory,) shows a whole grown a** woman, ID’d by Fox 11 as Susan Garcia, confronting Jeffrey, assaulting him, and admitting to the assault in front of the boy’s Mom.
The incident took place in Armstrong Ranch, a private, planned community in an affluent part of Santa Ana.
Garcia is in front of the boy’s home along with two of the other boy’s friends.
Garcia then goads the boy’s Mom to come out of their house after Jeffrey yells at her that he’s been hit.
“Come on out,” Garcia yells. “Come on, tell your story.”
“He tried to run me down on the sidewalk,” Garcia explains to the Mom. “I’m with the (Home owner’s association) board, along with another board member. He tried to run us down on the side walk … and lied to us.”
The Mom then calmly escorts Garcia off their property.
“You need to go home,” the Mom says.
“I can go anywhere I want!” Garcia fires back.
We can see Garcia skulk back home, shouting nonsense.
The woman, identified as Susan Garcia, was caught on camera lashing out at the boy for riding on the sidewalk.
Jeffrey Vandervort, 12, was riding his bike in the gated Santa Ana neighborhood Sunday evening when he was approached by his neighbor.
Video from the preteen’s GoPro camera shows Garcia yelling at Vandervort to get off the sidewalk before she takes matters into her own hands and grabs the handlebars of his bike.
“She walked over to me and just started yelling and pushed me into this little tree and then hit me in the back,” the 12-year-old told KTLA.
Jeffrey then calls for his mom to come outside and Garcia continues to berate him.
“Come on out mom, let’s have a little talk with mom,” she is heard yelling in the video.
The entire altercation takes place over about two minutes but ends once Jeffrey’s father comes outside as Garcia yells “shame on you” to the parents as she retreats.
The family says it’s not their first run-in with the woman, but they hope it will be the last.
If you have something to post to me, quote me directly to say it.
There is more of this video and back story, so you're wrong.
You're right though, the kid did nothing wrong in the video you're defending.
I personally have never said she should not be held accountable for hitting him, I've said it before, she handled it badly, but seeing more of the video, I now understand more of why she "seems to go from zero to 100" without being provoked which appears to not be the case after finding out she was already speaking to his friends about whatever else happened, which is still not known from seeing more of this incident.
If you're talking about me when you say "poster as always want to make it more complicated than it was" I'm simply trying to find out the whole story, not just this piece of it.
You can see more of the video in my comment below. Will that change any of your opinion though? I'm not talking about her hitting him because I said it was wrong. I'm talking about that there is more history behind what happened.
And, I can easily say that there are people posting who love to comment on threads like this saying that's the absolute truth of what happened when in fact it is not because we've only been given a tiny shred of information that people who seem to be middle ground, say that it is not the whole story.
As I've said, I've raised kids and now grand kids, I know there are 3 versions of what the actual truth is, there is each person's version with the truth somewhere in the middle. We're not going to get the truth from either the woman or Jeffrey and his parents but I guarantee, it is somewhere in the middle.
There is obviously history between the kids on bikes with this woman, that's my take after seeing more of the video, plus add Jeffrey's parents to it, just like they say in the article below that I am linking to and quoting where they say that but they do not give the history unfortunately.
Thanks, you may be older than me, I don't remember a bicycle license. I had one for a moped. It sounds like he has an E-bike but article states he does not. You're right, ride dismounts bike, let's person walk by if walking
Yes, you're older than me lol We didn't have them in NJ from 65 until I drove in the early 80's.
I think Jeffrey and his friend on the bike had gotten too close to the woman while they were riding on the side walk before this all went down because she was already shaken and wound up when he drove back around with his camera.
Yeah, he slowed down then came to a full stop because he was wearing his camera. Watch the video in my link below that shows more of the history, how she was already speaking to at least one of his friends also about his bike riding.
I feel like he ran in the house to grab his camera, then came back out, that's what we're seeing, but then again, if he was wearing the camera the whole time, he's not going to release the before hand on when she originally stopped at least his friend who she's speaking to, saying that she knows where they live.
I hope that she ends up speaking to give her version of what happened before the video.
I just googled to see if I can find better information then "they're neighbors" which I know. That does not tell me how close she lives to them.
I have a bunch of neighbors, one next to me, then about 7 on the other side of the street. It was not known if Jeffrey and his parents live at that house where Jeffrey stopped his bike.
I'm sure you know by now that I like details, especially with threads like this one. The first article, does say that "The footage starts off showing Jeffrey, less than 100-feet away from his home, riding his bike down one of many of the neighborhood’s sidewalks. Garcia is in front of the boy’s home along with two of the other boy’s friends. It also says there is another board member there but I am not seeing a third person. The first article actually has more of the video then either of the links in this thread. It also links to Jeffrey's tik tok which his user name is interestingly mcfadden_fights, then says Big balla · 2021-12-12
I'm curious what happened before this that she is already in front of his house, speaking to two of his friends, one that is also on a bike. It makes me wonder if she was speaking to them about not riding their bikes on the side walk.
She is obviously wound up about something, seems like Jeffrey is too when this video starts. You can barely hear her confronting the other 2 kids saying something like "you don't think I know where you live?" "we know exactly where you live" then Jeffrey pulls up, she says "and that one too" she then says to him "get the h*ll off the sidewalk" you then know the rest, this video then continues, we can not only see that she is in fact standing in Jeffrey's driveway but that his front door is wide open with the lights on, she walks up, telling mom to come outside to "tell her story" while Jeffrey is also screaming for his mother to come outside.
She is wound up, saying he tried to run her over with his bike, that she's standing on the side walk with another HOA board member to which his mother says "well it's a good thing he has a camera strapped to his chest right now." She says "come on, let me see it" she also starts walking away towards her house, Jeffrey starts smart mouthing for her to get a life and go home, she was already walking home. He's being a snot nosed, big balled kid saying go away, you don't hit children it's against the law. She once again says she was standing on the sidewalk speaking to another board member who we never see, he then tells both his parents that she hit him. Then the video cuts off with Jeffrey pushing his bicycle in the front door.
The second article gives more information, apparently I'm right that there is history between this woman, Jeffrey and possibly his family, so this was not the first incident like I thought. I'm not seeing that they give any more details on what that history is.
I was addressing several poster's comments. You may have the time and interest in pasting each post and then commenting but many of us do not.
I'm not sure which video you are referring to in this way too long post, can you please sort it out for me? I don't see it changing my opinion but I'm interested to see what you are talking about.
While I agree there is history, to me it's pretty obvious this history involves previous incidents of the kids riding on the sidewalk which I would like to remind you is perfectly legal there. Regardless of their history there is no way way to defend this woman's behavior. So not sure why you feel the need to go down the road of their history when we are commenting on this specific incident.
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I'm not sure which video you are referring to in this way too long post, can you please sort it out for me? I don't see it changing my opinion but I'm interested to see what you are talking about.
While I agree there is history, to me it's pretty obvious this history involves previous incidents of the kids riding on the sidewalk. Regardless of their history there is no way way to defend this woman's behavior. So not sure why you feel the need to go down the road of history when we are commenting on this specific incident.
Yeah same here. I cannot think of anything relating to this story that would excuse her behavior.
So they rode on the sidewalk before? What's the issue? It's LEGAL where they are.
It's legal where I live too, and I tell my kids to ride on the sidewalks for the same reason: safety.
I'm 47 and solidly on the kid's side. He did NOTHING wrong, he was legally allowed to ride on the sidewalk, and he came to a complete stop LONG before he was in any proximity to her, SHE approached him and was the one who instigated the drama.
Watch the damn video and stop being so sanctimonious.
I'm solidly on the kids side too. Frankly, I thought he remained rather calm, considering that a crazy lady came at him, grabbed his bike, and hit him, and then threatened to hit him again.
A 12 yr old should know better and is old enough to ride on the street.
Heck there are 5 yr olds beating up teachers. Kids are getting stronger and stronger
She should not have hit him but he's no angel either. I think he has probably been an annoyance to people living there. And he has no problem riding in the middle of the street at night. His own body cam proves that. Here are two videos from his tik tok. https://www.tiktok.com/@mcfadden_fig...09092576429611
I'm not sure but that may be an electric bike he is riding. They can go pretty fast. This video starts a little earlier than the one shown on the news. I wonder if he looped around to make it look like he did nothing. Odd he is so far behind his friends who are already stopped when he is riding really fast.
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