Will Columbus become largest Ohio metro? (Cleveland, Cincinnati: landlord, shopping centers, property)

[Losfrisco]

Originally Posted by cheech14

This was the pic I found of the Columbus core population. It seems to match the city population before annexation, so I figured it was accurate.

This says it all.

Had Columbus not annexed, they would have seen a population decline similar to Cincinnati (despite not having an apparent economic reason).

The entire narrative that Columbus is some kind of rising star city is complete smoke and mirrors nonsense.

[TomJones123]

Originally Posted by Losfrisco

This says it all.

Had Columbus not annexed, they would have seen a population decline similar to Cincinnati (despite not having an apparent economic reason).

The entire narrative that Columbus is some kind of rising star city is complete smoke and mirrors nonsense.

I agree with the assessment as far as the boosterism goes...however, and I hate to give politicians credit, but Columbus leadership made the right moves and columbus is a success story today whether we like or agree with the reasons and outcome or not....hows that for a run on sentence...

[cheech14]

Originally Posted by Losfrisco

This says it all.

Had Columbus not annexed, they would have seen a population decline similar to Cincinnati (despite not having an apparent economic reason).

The entire narrative that Columbus is some kind of rising star city is complete smoke and mirrors nonsense.

Decline of core cities happened nationally, and the main reason was suburbanization that was being subsidized by federal policies. Things like a loss of manufacturing jobs in places like Cleveland and Detroit exacerbated those issues. Cleveland suffered the most for these reasons, Cincinnati the middle, and Columbus the best. Perhaps that's why Columbus and Cincinnati are both in core recovery and Cleveland isn't yet, as it has a deeper hole to climb out of than the other two.

As TomJones said, annexation was the right decision at the time. It gave Columbus what it needed to survive the mid-20th Century anti-urban trends and come out stronger than it ever would've been otherwise. Annexation wasn't driven by a desire to be a bigger city on paper or bragging rights as some have claimed, though.

[cheech14]

Originally Posted by bjimmy24

Ok here is the source it's coming from: https://allcolumbusdata.com/2020-dow...lation-growth/

Not exactly sure how "downtown" area is defined or what exactly the "historic core" consists of, but if it's reasonable, that's interesting. "Downtown" Columbus went form 53k to 14k population today (bottoming out at 7k in 2000 census). From then to now is a 75% decline in population. The "historic core" declined from 390k to 257k today (bottoming out at 235k in 2010 census). So from then to now is a 35% decline in population.

Downtown defined for Columbus, at least by the city, is basically everything within the 315, 70, 71, 670 square. Before the highways, I'm not sure what the exact borders would've been. Core city is just everything that existed during WWII.

[TomJones123]

Originally Posted by cheech14

Decline of core cities happened nationally, and the main reason was suburbanization that was being subsidized by federal policies. Things like a loss of manufacturing jobs in places like Cleveland and Detroit exacerbated those issues. Cleveland suffered the most for these reasons, Cincinnati the middle, and Columbus the best. Perhaps that's why Columbus and Cincinnati are both in core recovery and Cleveland isn't yet, as it has a deeper hole to climb out of than the other two.

As TomJones said, annexation was the right decision at the time. It gave Columbus what it needed to survive the mid-20th Century anti-urban trends and come out stronger than it ever would've been otherwise. Annexation wasn't driven by a desire to be a bigger city on paper or bragging rights as some have claimed, though.

I think you would enjoy reading the following book:

https://www.amazon.com/Saving-Americ...=UTF8&qid=&sr=


The author has some good insights, and of course I have my disagreements with a few things, but overall a good read on the topic.

The author is from Dayton and a big fish in a relatively small pond. He did try to implement his plan and it failed to take root in Dayton due to local businessmen never really getting on board...too divided and not enough interest in the city of Dayton itself...

[PerryMason614]

Nobody cares about city population. It's an irrelevant statistic. It's only relevant if you're trying to figure out how much water and sewer plant capacity you need or how many tax forms you have to print. The only relevant statistic is Metro population. The metro population has quadrupled or more and it has nothing to do with annexation.

[cheech14]

Originally Posted by PerryMason614

Nobody cares about city population. It's an irrelevant statistic. It's only relevant if you're trying to figure out how much water and sewer plant capacity you need or how many tax forms you have to print. The only relevant statistic is Metro population. The metro population has quadrupled or more and it has nothing to do with annexation.

Why is metro population more relevant? Don't metros only exist because people are going back and forth from the core city? I'm not necessarily saying core city boundary is most important, but I do think what people think is most important is pretty subjective.

[TomJones123]

Originally Posted by cheech14

Why is metro population more relevant? Don't metros only exist because people are going back and forth from the core city? I'm not necessarily saying core city boundary is most important, but I do think what people think is most important is pretty subjective.

Because his boosterism bubble has been popped with relevant conversation describing how and why Columbus has grown...dude has a problem with historical fact so he tries to control a narrative where people just sprout up out the ground in columbus...kinda like corn stalks and soybeans...

[PerryMason614]

Originally Posted by cheech14

Why is metro population more relevant? Don't metros only exist because people are going back and forth from the core city? I'm not necessarily saying core city boundary is most important, but I do think what people think is most important is pretty subjective.

Columbus isn't just in its own bubble, it's the entire region that counts. When Costco goes to look for a new market, they don't give a s*** what the population of Upper Arlington is. They look at the whole area. Likewise with TV stations, Amazon warehouses, Sheetz convenience stores and anything else that has to do with an area.

When the Columbus Blue Jackets came to town they didn't care what the population of the city of Columbus was. They looked at the entire region.

Columbus population is irrelevant. Columbus Metro population is what matters. The Columbus Metro has always been Franklin, Fairfield, Licking, Delaware, Madison and Pickaway counties. Since the old days, Union County was added. Then Morrow County was added. Those counties were added because the region's growth spilled over into them.

Those counties didn't annex each other. They've always had the same boundaries. The Columbus Metro has always had the same boundaries, except for those two new counties that had a minimal number of people back in the old days and now have a lot more.

Anybody who only looks at city population and says annexing a bunch of empty farmland which had no people living on it before is why Columbus has grown knows nothing and should be embarrassed to be writing anything here.

[TomJones123]

Originally Posted by PerryMason614

Columbus isn't just in its own bubble, it's the entire region that counts. When Costco goes to look for a new market, they don't give a s*** what the population of Upper Arlington is. They look at the whole area. Likewise with TV stations, Amazon warehouses, Sheetz convenience stores and anything else that has to do with an area.

When the Columbus Blue Jackets came to town they didn't care what the population of the city of Columbus was. They looked at the entire region.

Well, since city data forums arent really used by site search executives perhaps us plebes can carry on our discussion. Oh...if cbus population is irrelevant the zero it out and count the metro population without the city of cbus in the mix....oh...right...it become strangely relevant all of a sudden...

I did find a good article that covers columbus annexation and such...its relevant history for anyone who wants to understand how an area grew...I guess that sacrigligous to discuss how columbus grew...

https://teachingcleveland.org/annexa...ander-tebbens/

Columbus City Council and Mayor Sensenbrenner’s solution to the problem of suburban growth was simple and led to policies that would cause Sensenbrenner to “put a greater stamp on Central Ohio than any [other] human being,” according to City Auditor Hugh Dorrian. The solution was simply that Columbus would outgrow its suburbs.

Personally, I think Mayor Sensenbrenner solution worked out just great...