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[Josseppie]

Originally Posted by wong21fr

Once again, "Well, this is what I was told." is not exactly the response I would expect from a businessman with a couple of decades of experience who should be able to use deductive reasoning. If you can't back up your statement, than you are not going to come off as credible in the slightest. I gave you the correct factor, 4 times faster, with the data sources to back it up. Using this, you can say Pueblo is expected to grow 4 times faster in the next 30 years than it did in the past 50, and you can back it up with real math produced by professionals.

Currently

Pueblo proper is at 108,000 people.
Pueblo county is 160,000 people.

I will say that I think that the city of Pueblo will be about 260,000 by 2040 and the county of Pueblo will be about 350,000 - 400,000 people. I went with the optimistic number because I am a optimist and is 11 times more growth then it has been in the past 50 years.

These could be wrong, could be right. Only time will tell.

[Let's Go Here]

Where exactly are these numbers coming from? COMMON SENSE tells me that there is NO CHANCE the city will grow that much over the next 30 years. Right now this is all speculation. Time to focus on the HERE AND NOW and move on.

[Josseppie]

Originally Posted by Let's Go Here

Where exactly are these numbers coming from? COMMON SENSE tells me that there is NO CHANCE the city will grow that much over the next 30 years. Right now this is all speculation. Time to focus on the HERE AND NOW and move on.

I'm a dork so for me it's fun to try and predict how much Pueblo will grow. I know it could be wrong and that is ok. I plan on being around to see if this is correct or not.

[McGowdog]

Originally Posted by Josseppie

I went with the optimistic number because I am a (sic) optimist and is (sic) 11 times more growth then (sic) it has been in the past 50 years.

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Joss, not going grammar Nazi on you, but where on earth did you get your MBA/MSA/whatever?

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Did you take any English/Lit/Grammar courses?

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You think that the surrounding Pueblo County population will grow to 90k to 140k?

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Fantasy Island

[Josseppie]

I know my grammer and spelling are not the best. The funny thing is I usually got A's on my reports but spent hours writing them. I do not do that here or on Facebook and it shows. Since you asked I got my MBA at the University of San Diego.

Look how much Pueblo grew before the recession in the 80's. So yes I think it will happen again. Could I be wrong? Yes. It's just my opinion no need for anyone to get mad over it we all have opinions.

[wong21fr]

Originally Posted by Let's Go Here

Where exactly are these numbers coming from? COMMON SENSE tells me that there is NO CHANCE the city will grow that much over the next 30 years. Right now this is all speculation. Time to focus on the HERE AND NOW and move on.

Well, the real numbers are coming from the State Demography Office which forecasts Pueblo County as having a population of approximately 250K by 2040. This reflects a growth rate that is 4 times faster during the next 30 years versus the last 50 years.

The other ones are completely made up by an irrational booster and are based on a mistake.

[McGowdog]

Originally Posted by Josseppie

It's just my opinion no need for anyone to get mad over it we all have opinions.

It's not that we are mad or anything. We just want to help you stay grounded and give reliable info for future inquiries. It might also lead to less argument and ridiculous bickering back and forth... imo.

[Josseppie]

Originally Posted by McGowdog

It's not that we are mad or anything. We just want to help you stay grounded and give reliable info for future inquiries. It might also lead to less argument and ridiculous bickering back and forth... imo.

If you look at what the state planers quote for 2030 they say 226,000 people. If you use the current population of Pueblo county and use the number of 11 times more growth in the next 30 then it did in the past 50 the population of Pueblo county would be 246,000 people in 2030, not that far off. Then you extrapolate 10 more years using the growth rate of 11 times more in the next 30 then the past 50 it comes to about 400,000 people. That is why I did change it and say 350,000 people to 400,000 people by 2040, to be fair since it was off by a little. Since I am a optimist I prefer to go with the 400,000 figure.

This is the math I am going from:

The stats I quoted from the state planners are for 2030. Thus, for 20 years (2010 to 2030) X 7.7% /year = 154% more than the starting number of 160k, which works out to about 246k people, which is very close to the 226k the state planner quoted.

[Josseppie]

I have been saying for a few years now that when looking at how Pueblo has done economically since the 1980's that comparing us to Colorado Springs and Denver is not a good comparison because they did not have the economic melt down we did in the 1980's. A better comparison is to cities like Youngstown Ohio, Gary Indiana, Detroit and Pittsburgh. Well I was talking about it at a meeting for the RTA grant and PEDCO heard it and agreed with me. This is them using it as well.

Also, there will be a jobs announcement Monday. I will post what it is after.

This is from the Pueblo Chieftain:

Thanks to Pueblo voters’ regular approval of the half-cent sales tax for economic development since 1984, the city’s strategy for using the money and PEDCo’s efforts, Pueblo is faring far better than several other U.S. cities badly hurt by the U.S. steel industry collapse in the early 1980s, he said.

Cities ranging from Pittsburgh to Gary, Ind., and Youngstown, Ohio, have lost 25 to 40 percent of their population since the 1980s, he said. The city of Pueblo’s population is up 6 percent to 107,000 over the same period, he noted.

The link: The Pueblo Chieftain | PEDCo reflects on year; Monday event to reveal

Here is information on the new jobs announcement and a possible second by the end of the year.

The economic development organization revealed a public jobs announcement planned for 4 p.m. Monday at the Pueblo Convention Center.

A “medium-sized” number of manufacturing jobs are involved, PEDCo President Jack Rink told the estimated 100 members in attendance.

Rink also left open the possibility of a second jobs announcement later in the month. The group is in active talks with 11 employer prospects, he said.

[Josseppie]

The Chieftain ran a article on how Pueblo is doing better then most steel towns. In fact I was the one who brought this to the attention of PEDCO last month as I have noticed this for years.

This is from the Chieftain:



While some point to Pueblo’s slower pace of economic growth compared with other Front Range cities, Wright argues the better measure is to judge Pueblo’s progress against other steel cities such as Gary, Ind., and Youngstown, Ohio.

Recently, he heard a local businessman make such a case in defense of Pueblo’s economic development efforts and, following up on the person’s work, he crunched the numbers himself for a presentation to PEDCo members.

Gary’s population has plunged to 79,000 today from 145,000 in 1980, according to the U.S. Census Bureau. Youngstown’s population has shrunk to 65,000 from 115,000. Even the steel giant Pittsburgh has suffered a similar fate, down to 306,000 from 424,000.

Combined, the three cities have lost an average of 38 percent of their population since the 1980s steel crash, Wright said.

“What would Pueblo look like with a population of 62,000?” he said.

- See more at: The Pueblo Chieftain | Pueblo outpacing other steel cities