Pueblo - General Info (cities, population, counties)

[wong21fr]

Originally Posted by Josseppie

Actually Vesta's is at or near full employment. Like most of the nation Pueblo is experiencing a recession. However regional planners have taken all that into account when they came up with the growth projections for Pueblo by 2040.

Really? Methinks you need to look up the definition of the term recession.

[Josseppie]

Originally Posted by wong21fr

Really? Methinks you need to look up the definition of the term recession.

I don't understand your comment? Perhaps you do not think we are still in a recession. Either way you have not commented on the growth Pueblo is expected to have in the next 30 years? Perhaps that is because you agree with it?

[McGowdog]

I'm glad I don't work for Vestas. I think that industry and that company in particular are a bad idea.

[Josseppie]

Originally Posted by McGowdog

I'm glad I don't work for Vestas. I think that industry and that company in particular are a bad idea.

I know someone who works there and he likes the job and makes good money.

[wong21fr]

Originally Posted by Josseppie

I don't understand your comment? Perhaps you do not think we are still in a recession. Either way you have not commented on the growth Pueblo is expected to have in the next 30 years? Perhaps that is because you agree with it?

As a guy with an MBA, I figure you would know what the term recession was defined as. The United States is not in a recession and while the trickle of economic growth is not exactly stellar it's certainly not a contraction in GDP (using several metrics as indicators) for a sustained period of time.

Do you want me to comment on the growth numbers? I remember this conversation, the one where your claim of Pueblo growing 11 times faster in the next 30 years than the last 50 came from, and I quite frankly do not with to embarrass you with your inability to comprehend growth figures or comparing numbers that are not relative. Or using a quick and dirty discussion from an internet forum as an official proclamation of growth rates for Pueblo.

Here's the annual growth percentage for Pueblo County from 1960 to 2010: .68%

Here's the forecasted annual growth percentage for Pueblo County from 2010 to 2030: 1.58%

Pueblo County will grow over twice as fast in the future than it did in the past on an annual basis. The claim that Pueblo will grow 11 times faster is slightly off and is not official in any kind of way.

[Josseppie]

Originally Posted by wong21fr

As a guy with an MBA, I figure you would know what the term recession was defined as. The United States is not in a recession and while the trickle of economic growth is not exactly stellar it's certainly not a contraction in GDP (using several metrics as indicators) for a sustained period of time.

Technically you are correct however practically speaking we might as well be.

Originally Posted by wong21fr

Do you want me to comment on the growth numbers? I remember this conversation, the one where your claim of Pueblo growing 11 times faster in the next 30 years than the last 50 came from, and I quite frankly do not with to embarrass you with your inability to comprehend growth figures or comparing numbers that are not relative.

While I did the math wrong, I admitted that a few posts ago, the basic argument is true. To refresh your memory this was it:

You know how you are always trying to latch on to some number and quote it a lot so Pueblo sounds impressive? You should latch on to this one. Unlike all the others you've invented, this one is true. If anyone questions you when you say Pueblo is expected to grow 11 times faster in the next 30 years than it did in the past 50, you can back it up with real math produced by professionals.

So according to professionals Pueblo will be about 400,000 people by 2040.

[wong21fr]

Originally Posted by Josseppie

Technically you are correct however practically speaking we might as well be.

Why? Because Pueblo is not growing as quickly as you want?

While I did the math wrong, I admitted that a few posts ago, the basic argument is true. To refresh your memory this was it:

You know how you are always trying to latch on to some number and quote it a lot so Pueblo sounds impressive? You should latch on to this one. Unlike all the others you've invented, this one is true. If anyone questions you when you say Pueblo is expected to grow 11 times faster in the next 30 years than it did in the past 50, you can back it up with real math produced by professionals.

So according to professionals Pueblo will be about 400,000 people by 2040.

No, you didn't, and neither did the guy who you are quoting. He used the census numbers for the City of Pueblo from 1960 to 2010 to get a change in population of 15,000 and then used the forecast numbers for the County of Pueblo from 2010 to 2040 to get a change in population of 100,000. The average growth rate for the City of Pueblo from 1960 to 2010 was 300 people per year while the average growth rate for the County of Pueblo from 2010 to 2040 was 3333 people per year. 3333/300 = 11.11, that is where the rate of change being 11 times faster came from. However, it's not an accurate comparison as the two numbers that are compared are the city's historical growth rate and the county's forecasted growth rate.

To be accurate, the county's historical average growth rate from 1960 to 2010 was 800 people per year. This is then compared with the county forecasted growth rate of 3333 people per year, 3333/800= 4.167, meaning that Pueblo County will grow 4 times faster in the next 30 years versus the last 50 years.

Pueblo County is expected to have a population of about 225K to 250K by 2040. The state demographic office also revises their forecasts from time to time and the latest numbers, from September 2012, predict that Pueblo County will have a population of 235K in 2040. This is a slight decrease from the 2010 forecasts and would decrease the rate of change to 3 times faster.

[Josseppie]

Originally Posted by wong21fr

Why? Because Pueblo is not growing as quickly as you want?



No, you didn't, and neither did the guy who you are quoting. He used the census numbers for the City of Pueblo from 1960 to 2010 to get a change in population of 15,000 and then used the forecast numbers for the County of Pueblo from 2010 to 2040 to get a change in population of 100,000. The average growth rate for the City of Pueblo from 1960 to 2010 was 300 people per year while the average growth rate for the County of Pueblo from 2010 to 2040 was 3333 people per year. 3333/300 = 11.11, that is where the rate of change being 11 times faster came from. However, it's not an accurate comparison as the two numbers that are compared are the city's historical growth rate and the county's forecasted growth rate.

To be accurate, the county's historical average growth rate from 1960 to 2010 was 800 people per year. This is then compared with the county forecasted growth rate of 3333 people per year, 3333/800= 4.167, meaning that Pueblo County will grow 4 times faster in the next 30 years versus the last 50 years.

Pueblo County is expected to have a population of about 225K to 250K by 2040. The state demographic office also revises their forecasts from time to time and the latest numbers, from September 2012, predict that Pueblo County will have a population of 235K in 2040. This is a slight decrease from the 2010 forecasts and would decrease the rate of change to 3 times faster.

I put the entire quote there, left nothing out. If you do the math for the Pueblo MSA (Pueblo county) it comes out to 400,000 people by 2040.

[wong21fr]

Originally Posted by Josseppie

I put the entire quote there, left nothing out. If you do the math for the Pueblo MSA (Pueblo county) it comes out to 400,000 people by 2040.

And I'm telling you that the factor of 11 is wrong. If you look at the numbers that I posted, and do the math, you might just see that you are going to have to start using a lower number than 11.

If you want to check out the raw data from the State Demographic Office where the rates came from, than do so:

Historical population number via the census:
https://dola.colorado.gov/demog_weba...parameters.jsf


County-level population forecasts 2010 to 2040 (September 2012):
http://www.colorado.gov/cs/Satellite...me=CBONWrapper

[Josseppie]

Originally Posted by wong21fr

And I'm telling you that the factor of 11 is wrong. If you look at the numbers that I posted, and do the math, you might just see that you are going to have to start using a lower number than 11.

If you want to check out the raw data from the State Demographic Office where the rates came from, than do so:

Historical population number via the census:
https://dola.colorado.gov/demog_weba...parameters.jsf


County-level population forecasts 2010 to 2040 (September 2012):
Colorado.gov

So you are saying the factor of 11 is wrong. Again let me just post what he said:

You know how you are always trying to latch on to some number and quote it a lot so Pueblo sounds impressive? You should latch on to this one. Unlike all the others you've invented, this one is true. If anyone questions you when you say Pueblo is expected to grow 11 times faster in the next 30 years than it did in the past 50, you can back it up with real math produced by professionals.

The math is 400,000 people for the county by 2040.