How Do Clevelanders With An Inferiority Complex to Get Over It? (Toronto: theater, places to live)

[BPP1999]

Originally Posted by WRnative

In Greater Cleveland, unique attractions would include the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, the Steamship Mather, the U.S.S. Cod (far superior to other WWII fleet submarines as it was retired with much of its equipment intact and visitors enter and exit using the original hatches and ladders, providing an authentic experience), Holden Arboretum (Emergent Tower and Canopy Walk), Historic Kirtland (where the Mormon Church was first established), Kirtland Temple (the first Mormon temple and open to the public), the West Side Market, the Cleveland Museum of Art (to my knowledge, no other museums yet offer the likes of the Artlens Gallery and the CMA's overall digital experience; the CMA has one of the very best Asian and textile collections in the U.S.), and the Cleveland Orchestra (the combination of the excellence of the Cleveland Orchestra as an ensemble, and the beauty and wonderful acoustics of Severance Hall). The Garfield Monument (have you visited it yet) is the largest and most ornate of Presidential resting places, exceeding Grant's Tomb. Wade Chapel at Lake View Cemetery is one of the best surviving examples of the work of Louis Comfort Tiffany.

https://lakeviewcemetery.com/visit/p...morial-chapel/

<<But the highlight - the big pig-out revelation - came the morning we visited the West Side Market. It's huge, vastly outsizing Capitol Hill's beloved Eastern Market. It's sparkling clean, putting Baltimore's Lexington Market to shame. And the variety! Pasta, sausage, cheese, pastry, pierogies, tamales, meat, meat, meat.>>

Impulsive Traveler: A Cleveland neighborhood rises above the city's Rust Belt image

In Greater Cleveland, add in the Pro Football Hall of Fame and Ohio Amish Country, the largest Amish community in the U.S. A visit to eastern Holmes County far exceeds a visit to suburbanized Lancaster County in PA. Cedar Point is unequaled as a roller coaster haven, both for its collection of thrill rides and its location on a Lake Erie peninsula. Stan Hywet Hall in Akron is one of the very best historic mansions in the U.S. The National First Ladies Library also is in Canton.

Cleveland is well worth a stop, especially on a vacation road trip inclusive of Niagara Falls, a leg through Cleveland and perhaps Sandusky to the Henry Ford outside of Detroit, and then south to Dayton for its incomparable aviation history attractions.

https://www.tripadvisor.com/Travel-g...The.World.html

Cleveland may not be Washington, DC, New York City, Boston or Philadelphia, but it does have wonderful attractions worthy of visiting.

So basically, everything that Cleveland has exceeds its counterpart in another city?

[gouldnm]

Thanks, WRnative. You don’t have to convince me. But these are the things that Cleveland needs to emphasize when they advertise.

[WRnative]

Originally Posted by BPP1999

So basically, everything that Cleveland has exceeds its counterpart in another city?

Not what I said, but read the tripadvisor.com reviews of the Cleveland Museum of Art by informed visitors to Cleveland comparing the CMA to other major American museums and even the Louvre. If you've never visited the Cleveland Museum of Art since its massive transformation in the past decade, you wouldn't understand the excellence of the experience for art lovers, let alone for casual and infrequent art museum visitors.

The Cleveland Museum of Art's redesign emphasizes cultural diversity: CMA 2014 | cleveland.com

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/innov...art-180968007/

I also doubt that you've ever set foot in Severance Hall nor heard the Cleveland Orchestra.

See post 16 here:

https://www.city-data.com/forum/cleve...ra-news-2.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2000/01/10/a...ely-sound.html

https://www.clevelandorchestra.com/P...lding-History/

The New York Times classical music critics regularly travel to Cleveland to hear one of the great orchestras in the world in its exquisite home, and you for some reason want to belittle that experience available to Clevelanders without a trip?

[Minervah]

Originally Posted by BPP1999

So basically, everything that Cleveland has exceeds its counterpart in another city?

I think you’re missing the point here. The idea is that that cities should should show what they have and do unique and/or different when attracting attention to themselves. They should not be copycats touting the features every other city has as well.

As an example, the videos I talked about in which tourist or relocation videos promoted by many cities all look the same as all other cities. It’s as if they’re promoting the popular conception of what every city should be like.

It’s not a competition of who does what better than its counterpart but of what cities do differently from one another. WR’s list has some Cleveland things some of which other cities might not have or do. These are the things that need to be used to promote a city.

[QCongress83216]

Originally Posted by gouldnm

And I never hear them talk about Cleveland when I watch the nightly news. That’s because those programs are tailored to the specific region that they’re broadcast to. Regarding the lists of most dangerous cities, I’d have to see the data. If the lists are based on actual data, you can’t really blame the people on the coasts for that.

What I do know is that cities on the coasts have plenty of crime, and I’ve never heard anybody suggest that the Midwest is any worse. The one person I met who refused to go to Chicago was a guy from St. Louis, another Midwestern City. If anything, people here stereotype the Midwest as being overly friendly and polite—like the people in the movie Fargo.

I really think you’re making a lot of generalizations. You need to try living on one of the coasts before making such blanket statements.

I was referring to the national nightly news not local. As far as dangerous cities I was talking about how some people may go off the hearsay instead of the data. Which cities on the Coasts have the most crime? What generalizations I have made?

[gouldnm]

Originally Posted by QCongress83216

I was referring to the national nightly news not local. As far as dangerous cities I was talking about how some people may go off the hearsay instead of the data. Which cities on the Coasts have the most crime? What generalizations I have made?

The second paragraph of your post is filled with generalizations about people on the Coasts. For example, you state "more people in the Midwest can be more open-minded to things outside of their comfort zone than more people on the Coasts". Really? You haven't lived here. How do you know what people on the coasts are like or what they really think?

[TheProf]

Originally Posted by Minervah

I think after all is said and done, I believe very few Clevelanders have an actual inferior complex about their city. I bet if a poll were to be taken, the numbers would not be very large.

I must admit, I do get defensive when people spout bogus, stereotypical negative b.s. about Cleveland. I have a low tolerance for such stuff in part because the city has historically been subjected to this stuff -- which was somewhat deserved decades ago -- and also because I know; we know, that the City is so far beyond those old Rust Belt, Cuyahoga's on fire, jokes... I guess some may interpret this as an inferiority complex. So be it. It's just the silly Cat's Cradle folks who have an animus against the city like to put boosters in.

[gouldnm]

Originally Posted by WRnative

The New York Times classical music critics regularly travel to Cleveland to hear one of the great orchestras in the world in its exquisite home, and you for some reason want to belittle that experience available to Clevelanders without a trip?

People who are really serious about classical music know about the Cleveland Orchestra and will go out of their way to see it. But for most people the New York Philharmonic, Philadelphia Orchestra, or Boston Symphony are just fine. They're not going to go out of their way to go to Cleveland just to hear the orchestra when they have access to a world class symphony at home.

While I personally appreciate the Cleveland Orchestra and make it a point to go to Severance Hall whenever I visit Cleveland, there are better examples of things that make Cleveland unique and offer local flavor (e.g., West Side Market, Garfield Monument, Wade Chapel, Rock and Roll HOF).

Cleveland also has great restaurants--as good as if not better than what you'll find in most East Coast cities.

[QCongress83216]

Originally Posted by gouldnm

The second paragraph of your post is filled with generalizations about people on the Coasts. For example, you state "more people in the Midwest can be more open-minded to things outside of their comfort zone than more people on the Coasts". Really? You haven't lived here. How do you know what people on the coasts are like or what they really think?

OK tell where I'm wrong. Also, which cities on the Coasts have the most crime?

[gouldnm]

Originally Posted by QCongress83216

OK tell where I'm wrong. Also, which cities on the Coasts have the most crime?

I think many people don't like to venture very far outside their comfort zone--it's not unique to any particular region of the country. Many people who live on the coasts are either immigrants or transplants from other regions of the country, including the South and Midwest (myself being a good example)--by definition, these are all people who have ventured outside of their comfort zone.

I don't know the actual statistics on crime for different cities, but my guess would be Baltimore on the East Coast. On the West Coast, maybe Oakland? Some of those cities in California have pretty high crime rates.

But all of the cities have crime. None are immune. You can find parts of Boston, Philadelphia, NY, or D.C. that look as bad as anything I've seen in Cleveland.