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And the language we are communicating originated in England, so therefore this forum is an example of English culture? So nothing that black people (OR European-descended folks do) in the Midwest can be claimed as part of the Midwest's cultural legacy?
Well, by extension, everything ever done in the South using the northern technology of electricity is actually a Northern creation. Including your response to this....
And the language we are communicating originated in England, so therefore this forum is an example of English culture? So nothing that black people (OR European-descended folks do) in the Midwest can be claimed as part of the Midwest's cultural legacy?
Well, by extension, everything ever done in the South using the northern technology of electricity is actually a Northern creation. Including your response to this....
I never said that at all. Cities in the Midwest built upon those foundational genres to create something all their own. I'm merely saying that those musical legacies are built upon genres created in the South, which, in turn, utilized musical elements from Africa and the Caribbean. It's simply a prime example of cultural evolution at work.
And the language we are communicating originated in England, so therefore this forum is an example of English culture? So nothing that black people (OR European-descended folks do) in the Midwest can be claimed as part of the Midwest's cultural legacy?
Well, by extension, everything ever done in the South using the northern technology of electricity is actually a Northern creation. Including your response to this....
Not if the black people were born in the South. Muddy Waters was a big time blues artist that migrated to Chicago from his home state of Mississippi. He brought his blues to Chicago from the Delta. That's one example.
I'm not sure I get this....so blacks in the Midwest produce Motown, House Music, a massive amount of blues, gospel and jazz....yet the South claims it as its cultural heritage? By the same logic, couldn't Africa claim the same?
Well considering mankind started in Africa.Yes.All
American music traces it history to the Blues and Jazz.Blues and Jazz borrowed some elements from Europe and Africa.Yet those were not particular genres that existed as they were just sounds and instruments borrowed to create something completely unique.
House,Motown and rap are genres carved out of something that was created in America from original music like Jazz and Blues.From the South.Original forms not created from one sound but several sounds from other countries.
House music is pure rhythm and blues with an infusion of drum beats and electronic sounds.
Does not Motown or House Music not use those elements from music from the same country?Its not totally unique.
No more unique than Garage Music,Dub Step,Trip Hop from England that came out of House and Techno out of Detroit which had roots in Disco hence can be traced to Jazz.
And the language we are communicating originated in England, so therefore this forum is an example of English culture? So nothing that black people (OR European-descended folks do) in the Midwest can be claimed as part of the Midwest's cultural legacy?
Well, by extension, everything ever done in the South using the northern technology of electricity is actually a Northern creation. Including your response to this....
Motown, House and other genres are all apart of the cultural legacy of blacks in the Midwest.However almost every legacy that came out of the cultural heritage of the Midwest for blacks can be traced easily from Southern cultural origins.Can you say the same about Midwestern blacks influence on the South being as great?
Sam Cooke one of soul musics greatest singers ever was born in Mississippi.
Berry Gordy(Motown founder) was born in Detroit to parents who were both from Sandersville Georgia.He is distantly related to fmr. President Jimmy Carter.
Michael Jackson's parents moved to Gary Indiana but are from Alabama and Arkansas
Motown, House and other genres are all apart of the cultural legacy of blacks in the Midwest.However almost every legacy that came out of the cultural heritage of the Midwest for blacks can be traced easily from Southern cultural origins.Can you say the same about Midwestern blacks influence on the South being as great?
Sam Cooke one of soul musics greatest singers ever was born in Mississippi.
Berry Gordy(Motown founder) was born in Detroit to parents who were both from Sandersville Georgia.He is distantly related to fmr. President Jimmy Carter.
Michael Jackson's parents moved to Gary Indiana but are from Alabama and Arkansas
Afonega1, I dig almost everything that you wrote. Exceptions: the Jimmy Carter piece the bold. I agree that Sam Cooke is one of the baddest Maryland Farmers that has ever walked the Earth. My father would cosign. Sam was born in MS. However, he was raised in Chicago from an early age. Chicago is the context in which Sam grew up.
I work with this cat who told me that he was surprised that Tookie Williams, founder/ leader of the Crips, is from Louisiana. I promptly told him, Larry Hoover is from Mississippi. The dynamics in L.A. and Chicago respectively, shaped Tookie into "Tookie" and Larry into "Larry". The dynamics to create Crips and Disciples were not in place in MS or LA. Much as the dynamics in the American South were conducive for the creation of the Blues. Both Tookie and Larry left the South at an early age.
However, let's not take things out of context. So what, Joe and Katherine are from the South. So what, Berry Gordy's parents are from GA. The Jacksons were born in Gary, IN. It was Gary that shaped them. Berry is from Detroit. Motown is a Detroit thing. It has nothing to do with GA. The Motown sound is TIMELESS! If we are here 100 years from now, Motown tracks will still be played. I can imagine the history and humanity books, 100 years from now, will classify the Motown sound as a genre. Gladys Knight was a part of that.
Shame on you for not mentioning one of the baddest cats out of SC: John Birks Gillespie. Better known as Dizzy Gillespie! Admittedly, I love very few people. I love Dizzy Gillespie! I love him more than I love Miles Davis, a Midwesterner. I love him more than I love Charlie "Yardbird" Parker, also a Midwesterner.
I work with this cat who told me that he was surprised that Tookie Williams, founder/ leader of the Crips, is from Louisiana. I promptly told him, Larry Hoover is from Mississippi. The dynamics in L.A. and Chicago respectively, shaped Tookie into "Tookie" and Larry into "Larry". The dynamics to create Crips and Disciples were not in place in MS or LA.
I wouldn't be so quick to suggest that. Shreveport, where Tookie was born, is now a gang run city, with bad crime. Tookie could have done the same things there.
I wouldn't be so quick to suggest that. Shreveport, where Tookie was born, is now a gang run city, with bad crime. Tookie could have done the same things there.
Note to self: cancel trip to Shreveport, vampires are not the only thing to be feared. Especially now that Shreveport "...is now a gang run city..." Spare me the hyperbole.
Read carefully: the dynamics that created urban street gangs were not in place in the South in the 60s and 70s. Shreveport gangs are but one of many examples of young folk learning about gangs via Hollywood. Let me guess, Shreveport gangs call themselves Bloods? The first time we saw Colors, we thought that the Folks and Peoples were in L.A.! We didn't know that there were "gangs" outside of Chicago. Let alone surf and sun L.A.!
Sure, Tookie might have been a knucklehead on the mean streets of Shreveport. However, he would not have helped to found the Crips. South Central in the 60s and 70s was not the South. Don't tell me that "Tookie could have done the same things there." "Tookie" was created in L.A. not LA.
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