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You might want to consult a map of population density before making statements like that. Montgomery County and Prince George's County have almost all their population living in half the counties land hugging the District line. 2.7 million people in those area's live in about half that 1,100 sq. miles of land. That 2.7 million people live in about 500 square miles. Also, Fairfax and Montgomery County are going through extreme urbanization right now which Chicago will not and does not have happening outside their core. Our Metro system is allowing this and the Red Line and Silver Line are producing downtown Silver Spring/Bethesda/Rosslyn-Ballston type downtown's at every station. D.C. is creating the most urban suburbs in the nation and our Metro system allows us to do that. Without a Metro system like Washington's D.C., region's around the nation can't build that type of infrastructure. Commuter rail will never be able to support an area like downtown Silver Spring, Bethesda, or the Rosslyn-Ballston Corridor. White Flint, Rockville, Gaithersburg, Tyson's Corner, Reston, Herndon, New Carrolton, College Park, etc. etc. The list goes on of transforming suburbs around D.C. Highrises as far as the eye can see with zero lot development and mixed use.
You will get a few developments around the Metro, sure, but Montgomery and Prince George's County will be very suburban for at least the next 50 years.
You will get a few developments around the Metro, sure, but Montgomery and Prince George's County will be very suburban for at least the next 50 years.
Our goal in the D.C. area is to have most of our population around Metro Stations. Montgomery County already has done that through zoning and the agricultural reserve. I know you don't know much about the D.C. area and where we direct our growth but you might want to look into it. Our existence and population centers are around Metro Stations. Within a couple miles of Metro stations pretty much covers much of our population. That is why our population density radiates in a hub and spoke manner. Our counties have area's with high density where people live and transit is in place and other area's where farming takes place. We don't sprawl like Chicago with consistent density everywhere and no agriculture left. We have concentrated high density around are Metro system and border cities.
You will get a few developments around the Metro, sure, but Montgomery and Prince George's County will be very suburban for at least the next 50 years.
And since you are so interested in the next 50 years, let me show you where people will be funneled in the D.C. area over the next 50 years. This map was made by our local governments showing where growth will be permitted over the next 50 years. Maryland also just passed Plan Maryland which will only allow dense urban development around Metro and Marc Stations to preserve land. You can study Portland Oregon to see what this type of legislation does.
Our goal in the D.C. area is to have most of our population around Metro Stations. Montgomery County already has done that through zoning and the agricultural reserve. I know you don't know much about the D.C. area and where we direct our growth but you might want to look into it. Our existence and population centers are around Metro Stations. Within a couple miles of Metro stations pretty much covers much of our population. That is why our population density radiates in a hub and spoke manner. Our counties have area's with high density where people live and transit is in place and other area's where farming takes place. We don't sprawl like Chicago with consistent density everywhere and no agriculture left. We have concentrated high density around are Metro system and border cities.
Uh, no you do not have concentrated high density throughout the region. Perhaps in Montgomery County. There is sprawl all over the place up there, many of us have seen it with our own eyes.
I suggest you take a drive out past Dulles, through Leesburg and then continue on Route 7 for a while. You will see sprawl all the way to West Virgina. Ugly, cookie-cutter, overpriced sprawl.
You might want to consult a map of population density before making statements like that. Montgomery County and Prince George's County have almost all their population living in half the counties land hugging the District line. 2.7 million people in those area's live in about half that 1,100 sq. miles of land. That 2.7 million people live in about 500 square miles and maybe less than that. Also, Fairfax and Montgomery County are going through extreme urbanization right now which Chicago will not and does not have happening outside their core. Our Metro system is allowing this and the Red Line and Silver Line are producing downtown Silver Spring/Bethesda/Rosslyn-Ballston type downtown's at every station. D.C. is creating the most urban suburbs in the nation and our Metro system allows us to do that. Without a Metro system like Washington's D.C., region's around the nation can't build that type of infrastructure. Commuter rail will never be able to support an area like downtown Silver Spring, Bethesda, or the Rosslyn-Ballston Corridor. Area's with that type of infrastructure and building density need subway mass transit with 3-5 minute peak frequency. This is especially true in D.C. where we expect that level of convenience. White Flint, Rockville, Gaithersburg, Tyson's Corner, Reston, Herndon, New Carrolton, College Park, etc. etc. are all building this type of development. The list goes on of transforming suburbs around D.C. Highrises as far as the eye can see with zero lot development and mixed use.
1,000 is vastly more realistic. I looked at numbers for two minutes and see no way to get to 2.7 million in 500sq miles. This is common mathmatics and a gross overstatment on your part. Maybe best case is 900 based on quick math and to be frank that was assuming basically all the popuation of PG/Fairfax, and Moco were in only the closest 1/3rd of the land area, which obviously is not even close to the case
Uh, no you do not have concentrated high density throughout the region. Perhaps in Montgomery County. There is sprawl all over the place up there, many of us have seen it with our own eyes.
I suggest you take a drive out past Dulles, through Leesburg and then continue on Route 7 for a while. You will see sprawl all the way to West Virgina. Ugly, cookie-cutter, overpriced sprawl.
That is true. The sprawl that exists is done. I'm talking about future growth. I'm talking about the remodeling of the region for all future growth to be absorbed in major downtown urban area's centered around Metro stations with gridded streets and high rises. The whole region has come up with a comprehensive plan to funnel future growth into these area's.
That is true. The sprawl that exists is done. I'm talking about future growth. I'm talking about the remodeling of the region for all future growth to be absorbed in major downtown urban area's centered around Metro stations with gridded streets and high rises. The whole region has come up with a comprehensive plan to funnel future growth into these area's.
The Metro doesn't go out far enough to reign in all future growth. And you can't force people into density - they have to want to be in it. This may all sound good on paper, but I'll believe it when I see it.
Our goal in the D.C. area is to have most of our population around Metro Stations. Montgomery County already has done that through zoning and the agricultural reserve. I know you don't know much about the D.C. area and where we direct our growth but you might want to look into it. Our existence and population centers are around Metro Stations. Within a couple miles of Metro stations pretty much covers much of our population. That is why our population density radiates in a hub and spoke manner. Our counties have area's with high density where people live and transit is in place and other area's where farming takes place. We don't sprawl like Chicago with consistent density everywhere and no agriculture left. We have concentrated high density around are Metro system and border cities.
Wouldn't it be correct to change the bolded to "more of our NEW population"
There are throngs of sprawled areas already everywhere around DC. Are they buldozing Loudon County or something
What you describe is new developement and doesnt account for all that is already there. I actually think it is good but listening to you one would think the 3 million that already live in sprawled suburbs in DC are being forced into dense Metro corriders. Just is absolutely not the case
Also preserving farmland has been done in the Boston/NYC/Philly metros for more than 4 decades now; actually another thing I approve of and think is good for DC and that smarter growth is taking place but on the whole it is the NEW development (which as a percentage is relatively small in the grand scheme of things)
Reading your posts one would think the sprawl doesnt exisit or is being wiped off the map, just not the case
1,000 is vastly more realistic. I looked at numbers for two minutes and see no way to get to 2.7 million in 500sq miles. This is common mathmatics and a gross overstatment on your part. Maybe best case is 900 based on quick math and to be frank that was assuming basically all the popuation of PG/Fairfax, and Moco were in only the closest 1/3rd of the land area, which obviously is not even close to the case
This should make it easy for you to see where most of the people live in the region. Click population density so you can see the corridors with density. The rest is very low density with people scattered.
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