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Yes so Seattle and Denver and many other cities blow Milwaukee away. Milwaukee is a mid size city with an undeveloped downtown. How could you ever reasonably think it has more residents than Seattle, a city with massive urban development? Where are all the highrise condos in Milwaukee???
BTW, downtown denver (denver city center) has 63k people
Nice you take a post out of context. Less then 15k in Seattle's CBD but its city center or downtown AREA has 55k. I have said this to you before but you seem to not undestand the distinction between a CBD and a downtown area. Some cities that are smaller (Milwaukee etc) dont have a different CBD from a downtown...
So quoting you verbatim is what you consider taking a post out of context... OK. Whatever you say.
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Originally Posted by D-town 720
Your 20k figure of Milwaukee is from you listing a zip code in its downtown which may or may not be its CBD (does it even really have one???).
I just got done explaining what we consider to be Downtown Milwaukee.
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Originally Posted by jjacobeclark
First of all, you don't live here so don't tell me what is considered Downtown Milwaukee. 53203 is known as either Kilbourntown or Westown and is roughly one-half of the CBD. 53202 is divided between Juneautown aka Easttown (the other half of the CBD), The Historic Third Ward, Yankee Hill, and the Lower East Side. With the exception of the Lower East Side, both Yankee Hill and the Third Ward are considered part of Downtown Milwaukee but not part of the CBD.
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Originally Posted by D-town 720
So please show us a link where Milwaukee has more residents living downtown then Seattle.
I already conceded the fact that Seattle had more residents living in its Downtown. The only reason I thought Milwaukee had more residents living in its downtown was because of our little discussion in the Denver Forum where you supplied faulty information to me.
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Originally Posted by D-town 720
Yes so Seattle and Denver and many other cities blow Milwaukee away. Milwaukee is a mid size city with an undeveloped downtown. How could you ever reasonably think it has more residents than Seattle, a city with massive urban development? Where are all the highrise condos in Milwaukee???
BTW, downtown denver (denver city center) has 63k people
20k pop for a downtown is very small. I believe Sacramento has around that.
NAIOP Colorado: October Breakfast Recap: Downtown Denver Retail Hotspot
This link says there are 63,000 people within 1.5 miles of downtown, which isn't at all the same as saying there are 63,000 people living in Downtown Denver. The CBD, LoDo, and the CPV only account for a mere 10,000 downtown residents.
Last edited by CaseyB; 06-05-2009 at 03:16 PM..
Reason: rude
I've never been to the Bronx, but I remember commenting on how I thought Queens looked a lot like Milwaukee and Chicago based on what I could observe during my Super Shuttle ride into Manhattan from JFK.
I prefer Milwaukee over Seattle. Most people judge it differently because they have never been there. I remember reading an article from the LA Times where a guy went to Milwaukee last year for the opening of the new Harley Museum. He changed his whole article to be about the city of Milwaukee instead. He was so surprised about how cosmopolitan it was and kept comparing it to parts of LA. The lakefront blows any other out of the water. The people are friendlier and its actually rated as one of the top party/nightlife cities. It's one of the quicker changing cities in the country.
I have seen other more current walk scores and San Antonio's downtown has the most walkable downtown. Now with the Riverwalk expansion, makes S.A's even more walkable. El paso more walkable, highly doubtful.
Just wanted to comment that its good to hear about some cities other than Chicago, LA, and New York. This site has become bogged down with posts and/or comparisons of these 3 cities. There are other great cities in this country and its good to hear more about them.
Cities I want to travel to:
Seattle
Boston
Portland
Dallas
Tampa
Milwaukee
Philly
Denver
So quoting you verbatim is what you consider taking a post out of context... OK. Whatever you say.
Are you dense or just ignorant. I just got done explaining what we consider to be Downtown Milwaukee.
Here's the instant replay for you:
I already conceded the fact that Seattle had more residents living in its Downtown. Again, are you dense or just ignorant? The only reason I thought Milwaukee had more residents living in its downtown was because of our little discussion in the Denver Forum where you supplied faulty information to me.
NAIOP Colorado: October Breakfast Recap: Downtown Denver Retail Hotspot
This link says there are 63,000 people within 1.5 miles of downtown, which isn't at all the same as saying there are 63,000 people living in Downtown Denver. The CBD, LoDo, and the CPV only account for a mere 10,000 downtown residents.
LOL you are blaming me for supplying you info when you were arguing against that info intially??? What???
The old thread you keep referring was where I challenged your claim that Milwaukee had 20k in its CORE. I showed you that Seattle had 15k in its core and explained the difference of a CBD and downtown pop.
From this link CBD's pop were being discussed not entire downtowns...
And this link shows 63k in Denver's downtown (note not equal to its CBD). I've explained this to you before but you seem to still not get it.
[SIZE=5][SIZE=5][LEFT]DOWNTOWN DEMOGRAPHICS[/LEFT][/SIZE]
[SIZE=5][/SIZE][/SIZE][LEFT]Downtown residents (1.5 mile radius): 63,000
Downtown (CBD, LoDo & CPV) average effective buying income, 2007: $66,634
Downtown student population: approximately 55,400
Downtown workforce: 110,000
Population and workforce projections, by 2030: 25,000 more residents and 35,000 more workers
Residential units planned/under construction: over 3,500
Downtown shops/restaurants: more than 1,000
16th Street Mall shuttle, Sep. 2006 to Sep. 2007: over 50,200 boardings daily
Downtown light rail stations: 32,000 passengers each weekday[/LEFT]
Downtown parking spaces: 44,000
http://www.downtowndenver.com/Econom...sion_Dec08.pdf (broken link)
The resource you are looking for might have been removed, had its name changed, or is temporarily unavailable.
Why do you think they single out the Central Business District, LoDo, and the Central Platte Valley in the first place, unless they're defining that as being "Downtown Denver"? If Denver gets to count everything within 1.5 miles as its downtown, then that would include Capitol Hill, Uptown, Five Points, Golden Triangle, Jefferson Park, Lower Highlands, Lincoln Park, City Park West, Cole, Whittier, and Cheesman Park. That sounds a little too big wouldn't you agree?
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