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I prefer Milwaukee over Seattle. Most people judge it differently because they have never been there. I remember reading an article from the LA Times where a guy went to Milwaukee last year for the opening of the new Harley Museum. He changed his whole article to be about the city of Milwaukee instead. He was so surprised about how cosmopolitan it was and kept comparing it to parts of LA. The lakefront blows any other out of the water. The people are friendlier and its actually rated as one of the top party/nightlife cities. It's one of the quicker changing cities in the country.
Milwaukee really is an underappreciated city. While the downtown is somewhat spread out, the river and lake are great assets that really lend themselves to the vibe and culture of the city, much like in Chicago. There is-- of course-- a great brewing culture that goes beyond the Miller, Pabst and their ilk and you can feel the German heritage to the bones. I tend to look at Milwaukee a bit as Chicago's goofy younger brother. It's smaller, friendlier, somewhat less mature but it has a lot of great attributes. Very underrated-- and not just on this forum.
Why do you think they single out the Central Business District, LoDo, and the Central Platte Valley in the first place, unless they're defining that as being "Downtown Denver"? If Denver gets to count everything within 1.5 miles as its downtown, then that would include Capitol Hill, Uptown, Five Points, Golden Triangle, Jefferson Park, Lower Highlands, Lincoln Park, City Park West, Cole, Whittier, and Cheesman Park. That sounds a little too big wouldn't you agree?
C'mon you've seen the link page jacob. it goes out from time to time but dont use that as an excuse.
Philly city center, denver city center, seattle city center as well as other cities having differing populations from their CBD's. Denver's CBD includes 10k pop in only its finanical district, lodo, and platte valley. This excludes much of the total downtown like ball park, uptown, golden triangle, cap hill etc. And might I add these hoods are urban and include highrises and are directly connected to the core of Denver - thus they are included in Denver city center (note not its CBD). Again, smallers cities in terms of urban development may not distinguish between their CBD and downtown - their downtown just may be their CBD.
So no including Denver city center as a downtown pop, which is what the link shows is not too big. You could walk 1.5 miles easily from 17th and california and continue to see highrise housing, commerical office, art museums etc. The city of denver is 150 square miles and a 1.5 mile radius of that cannot be considered too big for a downtown population count.
If you look at the map of Milwaukee and its zip you refer to with 20k pop it includes a 1.1 mile radius (check downtownmilwaukee partnership or something). You cant tell me that adding another .4 miles with push Milwaukee past Denver's 63k pop or even Seattle's 55k pop (not sure what's its radius)...
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C'mon you've seen the link page jacob. it goes out from time to time but dont use that as an excuse.
Philly city center, denver city center, seattle city center as well as other cities having differing populations from their CBD's. Denver's CBD includes 10k pop in only its finanical district, lodo, and platte valley. This excludes much of the total downtown like ball park, uptown, golden triangle, cap hill etc. And might I add these hoods are urban and include highrises and are directly connected to the core of Denver - thus they are included in Denver city center (note not its CBD). Again, smallers cities in terms of urban development may not distinguish between their CBD and downtown - their downtown just may be their CBD.
City Center Philadelphia is what Philadelphia call its downtown area, I've never once heard anybody refer to Downtown Denver or even Central Denver as "City Center Denver." Ball Park and Curtis Park aren't actual neighborhoods recognized by the city, those are just parts of LoDo (Union Station) and Five Points. Uptown and Capitol Hill aren't considered part of Downtown Denver. Why can't you seem to understand that? Who cares where the highrises are in Denver? Both Cherry Creek and Cheesman Park have a significant number of highrises, yet somehow they are not considered to be a part of Downtown Denver? Hmm it's a mystery. Milwaukee has tons of highrises running along the shore of Lake Michigan, all the way from Downtown going up Prospect Avenue and ending around North Avenue on the city's East Side. The location of highrise buildings does not define a downtown.
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So no including Denver city center as a downtown pop, which is what the link shows is not too big. You could walk 1.5 miles easily from 17th and california and continue to see highrise housing, commerical office, art museums etc. The city of denver is 150 square miles and a 1.5 mile radius of that cannot be considered too big for a downtown population count.
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You could do the same thing in Milwaukee, but you wouldn't necessarily be Downtown. The Marquette University Campus overlaps with Downtown, yet Avenues West and University Hill are not considered part of Downtown Milwaukee. According to the City of Milwaukee's website there are 200,000 people within a 3-mile radius of Downtown Milwaukee, but that isn't the same as saying there are 200,000 people living in Downtown Milwaukee.
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If you look at the map of Milwaukee and its zip you refer to with 20k pop it includes a 1.1 mile radius (check downtownmilwaukee partnership or something). You cant tell me that adding another .4 miles with push Milwaukee past Denver's 63k pop or even Seattle's 55k pop (not sure what's its radius)...
I'm starting to think you don't understand what a radius is. A 1.5 mile radius for Downtown Milwaukee would include Walker's Point, Jones Island, Avenues West, University Hill, King Park, Hillside, Halyard Park, Haymarket, Brewer's Hill, and the Lower East Side which would kick up our population totals considerably.
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1. Denver
2. Washington, DC
3. San Antonio
4. Chicago
5. Portland
6. Nashville
7. Minneapolis
8. West Palm Beach
9. San Diego
10. Fort Lauderdale
11. Austin
12. Miami Beach
13. Manhattan (Harlem to Hell's Kitchen)
14. Providence, RI
15. Charleston, SC
16. Miami
17. St. Louis
18. St. Pete, FL
19. Sarasota, FL
20. San Francisco
21. Indianapolis
22. Columbus, OH
23. Chattanooga, TN
24. Greenville, SC
25. Boston
When I get past 15, there's not a whole lot separating which ones I like more.
I like your list b/c your not rating the cities downtown on everybody else...Greenville, SC has great downtown for it's size...
City Center Philadelphia is what Philadelphia call its downtown area, I've never once heard anybody refer to Downtown Denver or even Central Denver as "City Center Denver." Ball Park and Curtis Park aren't actual neighborhoods recognized by the city, those are just parts of LoDo (Union Station) and Five Points. Uptown and Capitol Hill aren't considered part of Downtown Denver. Why can't you seem to understand that? Who cares where the highrises are in Denver? Both Cherry Creek and Cheesman Park have a significant number of highrises, yet somehow they are not considered to be a part of Downtown Denver? Hmm it's a mystery. Milwaukee has tons of highrises running along the shore of Lake Michigan, all the way from Downtown going up Prospect Avenue and ending around North Avenue on the city's East Side. The location of highrise buildings does not define a downtown.
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You could do the same thing in Milwaukee, but you wouldn't necessarily be Downtown. The Marquette University Campus overlaps with Downtown, yet Avenues West and University Hill are not considered part of Downtown Milwaukee. According to the City of Milwaukee's website there are 200,000 people within a 3-mile radius of Downtown Milwaukee, but that isn't the same as saying there are 200,000 people living in Downtown Milwaukee.
I'm starting to think you don't understand what a radius is. A 1.5 mile radius for Downtown Milwaukee would include Walker's Point, Jones Island, Avenues West, University Hill, King Park, Hillside, Halyard Park, Haymarket, Brewer's Hill, and the Lower East Side which would kick up our population totals considerably.
Why do you continue to split hairs?
You were wrong about seattle's downtown pop and wrong about telling the city of denver what its downtown areas boundries are. Nobody cares about extending Milwaukee's downtown area to help you save face. Downtown milwaukee is obviously smaller then some other cities and less urban.
Downtown (CBD, LoDo & CPV) average effective buying income, 2007: $66,634
Downtown student population: approximately 55,400
Downtown workforce: 110,000
Population and workforce projections, by 2030: 25,000 more residents and 35,000 more workers
Residential units planned/under construction: over 3,500
Downtown shops/restaurants: more than 1,000
16th Street Mall shuttle, Sep. 2006 to Sep. 2007: over 50,200 boardings daily
Downtown light rail stations: 32,000 passengers each weekday[/LEFT]
Beautiful. Seattle has one of the nation's 8 Barneys New York stores, and it is downtown. Unbelievable for a city of this size, and without any rapid transit system. The pictures also show a variety of affordable stores. Downtown Seattle is really very successful in retail and street life. It must have done something extremely effective in attracting people to downtown. The Only other cities that have a Barneys are NY, LA, Chicago, Boston, Dallas, SF and Las Vegas.
Beautiful. Seattle has one of the nation's 8 Barneys New York stores, and it is downtown. Unbelievable for a city of this size, and without any rapid transit system. The pictures also show a variety of affordable stores. Downtown Seattle is really very successful in retail and street life. It must have done something extremely effective in attracting people to downtown. The Only other cities that have a Barneys are NY, LA, Chicago, Boston, Dallas, SF and Las Vegas.
In SF, if you like Barney's(which I do), then you'll love Wilkes Bashford.
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