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Those, outside of maybe last year, are usually more dangerous than the Cleveland ones. Last year was a record year for Cleveland suburban homicides but this year seems like it will be lower than usual 30-40.
From the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette there are currently 92 homicides reported on their interactive map for all of Allegheny County for all of 2022. That would mean the suburbs are currently up to 39 homicides (92 total - 53 for the city limits). I can't authenticate this because I don't subscribe to this resource, and that map is only available for subscribers. I work for the city police, and I can only confirm city proper totals. The totals Bpt111 used to provide on here for Pittsburgh were incorrect because they also included Pittsburgh suburbs that had Pittsburgh, PA zip codes due to the incompetence of the U.S. Postal Service.
Going by the 2021 population estimate of 1,238,090 for Allegheny County and the 92 homicides for the county as of this date, our current homicide rate is 7.43/100,000 for all of Allegheny County, which includes the city of Pittsburgh.
I would be curious to see the above for Cleveland and Cuyahoga County (including Cleveland) as a comparison since both Allegheny County (1,238,090) and Cuyahoga County (1,249,387) have comparable populations. It looks like it will be another year, though, where Pittsburgh has fewer homicides than Cleveland, but suburban Cleveland has fewer homicides than suburban Pittsburgh.
Last edited by SteelCityRising; 10-12-2022 at 07:02 AM..
Reason: Changed "safer than" to "fewer homicides than" to better convey the point I was trying to make.
From the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette there are currently 92 homicides reported on their interactive map for all of Allegheny County for all of 2022. That would mean the suburbs are currently up to 39 homicides (92 total - 53 for the city limits). I can't authenticate this because I don't subscribe to this resource, and that map is only available for subscribers. I work for the city police, and I can only confirm city proper totals. The totals Bpt111 used to provide on here for Pittsburgh were incorrect because they also included Pittsburgh suburbs that had Pittsburgh, PA zip codes due to the incompetence of the U.S. Postal Service.
Going by the 2021 population estimate of 1,238,090 for Allegheny County and the 92 homicides for the county as of this date, our current homicide rate is 7.43/100,000 for all of Allegheny County, which includes the city of Pittsburgh.
I would be curious to see the above for Cleveland and Cuyahoga County (including Cleveland) as a comparison since both Allegheny County (1,238,090) and Cuyahoga County (1,249,387) have comparable populations. It looks like it will be another year, though, where Pittsburgh has fewer homicides than Cleveland, but suburban Cleveland has fewer homicides than suburban Pittsburgh.
Based on your info the Allegheny county minus the city of Pittsburgh is still on par rate wise with Boston.
From the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette there are currently 92 homicides reported on their interactive map for all of Allegheny County for all of 2022. That would mean the suburbs are currently up to 39 homicides (92 total - 53 for the city limits). I can't authenticate this because I don't subscribe to this resource, and that map is only available for subscribers. I work for the city police, and I can only confirm city proper totals. The totals Bpt111 used to provide on here for Pittsburgh were incorrect because they also included Pittsburgh suburbs that had Pittsburgh, PA zip codes due to the incompetence of the U.S. Postal Service.
Going by the 2021 population estimate of 1,238,090 for Allegheny County and the 92 homicides for the county as of this date, our current homicide rate is 7.43/100,000 for all of Allegheny County, which includes the city of Pittsburgh.
I would be curious to see the above for Cleveland and Cuyahoga County (including Cleveland) as a comparison since both Allegheny County (1,238,090) and Cuyahoga County (1,249,387) have comparable populations. It looks like it will be another year, though, where Pittsburgh has fewer homicides than Cleveland, but suburban Cleveland has fewer homicides than suburban Pittsburgh.
I haven't seen anything posted on the suburbs, unlike last year when the local media picked up on the big increase.
Last I saw Cleveland city was over 100 (I'm guessing in the 110-120 range).
Suburbs have been much quieter, even East Cleveland (also Maple, Euclid, Garfield Heights). Just as someone who reads the headlines daily at cleveland.com, it seems like the totals outside the city are pretty low. If they are only around the 20 range, Cuyahoga would be somewhere around 130-140. Last year I think it was around 230.
I guess we'll see at the end of the year, but seems like it will go back to usual. Cleveland city posting more than double of Pittsburgh city. But Pittsburgh suburbs posting double of Cleveland suburbs.
Really, though, you take out a few eastside Cleveland neighborhoods that post 100-plus rates in 20-30 square miles, the two counties are about the same overall. Those 20-30 Square miles on the east side of Cleveland seems to be what tilts Cuyahoga's rate to being higher than Allegheny's.
I haven't seen anything posted on the suburbs, unlike last year when the local media picked up on the big increase.
Last I saw Cleveland city was over 100 (I'm guessing in the 110-120 range).
Suburbs have been much quieter, even East Cleveland (also Maple, Euclid, Garfield Heights). Just as someone who reads the headlines daily at cleveland.com, it seems like the totals outside the city are pretty low. If they are only around the 20 range, Cuyahoga would be somewhere around 130-140. Last year I think it was around 230.
I guess we'll see at the end of the year, but seems like it will go back to usual. Cleveland city posting more than double of Pittsburgh city. But Pittsburgh suburbs posting double of Cleveland suburbs.
Really, though, you take out a few eastside Cleveland neighborhoods that post 100-plus rates in 20-30 square miles, the two counties are about the same overall. Those 20-30 Square miles on the east side of Cleveland seems to be what tilts Cuyahoga's rate to being higher than Allegheny's.
Correct. The majority of the City of Cleveland is very safe. I have never felt unsafe as a tourist in Tremont or Ohio City or Edgewater or University Circle or Little Italy. That stretch between Playhouse Square and University Circle along Euclid Avenue (Midtown?) is butt-ugly, but it also didn't feel unsafe when we were walking around there.
It's tough for cities like Cleveland, Chicago, and St. Louis that continuously post HUGE raw numbers of homicides annually because in all of those cities the vast majority of the homicides occur in areas with small overall square mileage. Same for Pittsburgh---our numbers just aren't that bad because our bad neighborhoods have become so depopulated that most of the bad dudes have already killed off most of the bad dudes at this point, albeit being in the mid-50's in mid-October is above-average for our city.
As of 10/9, there were 528 compared to 646 last year and 612 in 2020. A big drop, and from now to the end of the year could have another 160 at most. I think it will be around 30-35 less, bringing the total closer to 650, similar to back in 2017 after homocides had surpassed 750+ in the year before.
A woman killed and a man injured after a double shooting in the Calvert Square projects in Norfolk last night. 52 for the year. Also last night, a shooting in the London Oaks projects in Portsmouth that left a man with a life-threatening injury.
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