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Saks or Bloomingdales would be cool for DFW. I get that they like the Neiman Marcus legacy buy it being the only of the 3 in the region (supposing we aren’t counting Nordstrom) holds them back from some potential. Meanwhile Houston has one of the best Saks Fifth Aves in the country. In my honest opinion, Saks is easily the best of the luxury department stores in 2022
Saks has always been the premier one of the 3 luxury department stores.
Yup. And they closed a few others outside of DC, Seattle and I think Boston? Those weren't new stores though. But per business news, it appears the brand is in a healthy state. Good to hear, I'd be sad to lose another famed department store (like Barney's and Lord & Taylor).
It was a mistake for Neiman Marcus to open their store in Hudson Yards.
If they return to Manhattan, they should take over the former Barney's space at 60th/Madison. Wiser to stay in proximity to other luxury department stores (Saks, Bergdorf, Bloomingdales, Nordstrom).
Neiman Marcus just closed their Natick, MA location. They still have a location in Downtown Boston.
Yup. And they closed a few others outside of DC, Seattle and I think Boston? Those weren't new stores though. But per business news, it appears the brand is in a healthy state. Good to hear, I'd be sad to lose another famed department store (like Barney's and Lord & Taylor).
It was a mistake for Neiman Marcus to open their store in Hudson Yards.
If they return to Manhattan, they should take over the former Barney's space at 60th/Madison. Wiser to stay in proximity to other luxury department stores (Saks, Bergdorf, Bloomingdales, Nordstrom).
Would never happen.
Bergdorf is owned by Neimans and is on 57th and 5th (mens and womens stores are across the street). The old Barneys flagship on 60th is way too close to put a Neimans. Barneys worked as it was considered more hip vs Bergdorfs which was more ladies who lunch.
I think Bloomingdale's exited Texas in the 90s, not sure why, or why they haven't returned? Bloomingdale's is heavy with coastal locations and hasn't expanded to many interior parts of the country, besides Chicago.
I know this day in age isn't ideal for department store expansions, but I'm sure a full-line Bloomingdale's would do well in Dallas or Houston.
A relative just visited NYC from Nashville, she said she wishes Nashville had a Bloomingdale's. They have a Nordstrom, but she also likes certain brands not found at Nordstrom.
Bloomingdales was at the Valley View mall (next to the Galleria) in Dallas. Neimans has a very strong lock on the Dallas luxury market with it being their home base.
Bloomingdales struggles outside of NYC metro/Southern/Northern Cali/Southern Florida but is very strong there. Bloomies just opened a store at the Valley Fair mall in San Jose, has its West Coast flagship in downtown SF and a store at the Stanford mall.
Bloomies expanded into Atlanta (at the time they said it was a market where they had so many people with Bloomies cards/without a store/likely due to so many ex NY'ers moving down) and ended up closing the store at Perimeter and only operates out of Lenox (which does extremely well).
Bloomingdale's is unique in that they offer a high-end home shopping experience, which Saks/Neimans/Nordstrom do not. A true service department store in the legacy sense.
Only 32 stores, lower than I thought. Nordstrom has rapidly expanded, but Bloomingdale's seems to stay in mostly larger markets. I can't think of any recent openings of full-line stores.
We should do Saks next!
Bloomingdales is now expanding their nameplate through the new Bloomies concept which is opening next month at the old Bloomingdales main line store at Old Orchard in Chicago. Big loss for Old Orchard. That leaves one Bloomingdales full line store in the Chicago market (a biggie though at 900 North Michigan) and all of the Midwest (with Mall of America closing some years back).
Bloomingdales used to operate a full line standalone home store at Medinah Temple in Chicago (it was an absolutely beautiful place) but they have now consolidated everything at 900 North Mich.
Bloomies was the store to be at in the 70s, maybe a bit into the 80s but lost some of their mojo. Doesn't help being owned by Macys which is basically America's dept store at this point.
Valley Fair (San Jose) is the most recent Bloomingdales opening. Valley Fair has really become a powerhouse upscale retail center.
I learned so much shopping at Barneys, especially for brands outside the usual Prada/Gucci/Chanel. Brands from emerging market countries or lesser known designers were often carried by Barneys. The kind of brands you'd find only at Yoox online or European flagship dept stores.
I learned of brands like Ann Demeulemeester, Dries Van Noten, Jil Sander/Helmut Lang (both pre Prada acquisition/destruction) through my shopping at Barneys. Back when the internet wasn't what it is now.
It was a pleasure even though the 60th st layout was a mess. You grew to love it. The Doonan designed windows come the holidays. It was an experience and a true loss for the NYC retail landscape. Then going to the Barneys Co-Op on 5 (I think) for more casual/streetwear. And who could forget the Barneys Warehouse sales.
That whole "B" shopping experience in such a small area (Barneys/Bloomingdales/Bergdorfs) was an amazing
high-end shoppping experience, perhaps unrivaled by none at least here in America.
Barneys is now at Saks in some form but I have never visited the Saks flagship to see it.
Bloomingdales is now expanding their nameplate through the new Bloomies concept which is opening next month at the old Bloomingdales main line store at Old Orchard in Chicago. Big loss for Old Orchard. That leaves one Bloomingdales full line store in the Chicago market (a biggie though at 900 North Michigan) and all of the Midwest (with Mall of America closing some years back).
Bloomingdales used to operate a full line standalone home store at Medinah Temple in Chicago (it was an absolutely beautiful place) but they have now consolidated everything at 900 North Mich.
Just noting that former Bommies homewares Chicago original landmarked Medinah Temple.... will now be converted to the Bally's "temporary Chicago Casino".
It will house Bally's till at least 2026 till its new Casino is built at Goose Island northwest of downtown.
The Nieman Marcus on N Michigan Ave Chicago had Nieman sell the building. So far the store will remain in it as the lease ourside of bankruptcy. Neiman Marcus had the building built in 1983. Better times for sure.
Would never happen.
Bergdorf is owned by Neimans and is on 57th and 5th (mens and womens stores are across the street). The old Barneys flagship on 60th is way too close to put a Neimans. Barneys worked as it was considered more hip vs Bergdorfs which was more ladies who lunch.
True, but you also have Saks, Bloomingdale's, and now Nordstrom in close proximity. The sheer foot traffic and money flowing through that area may still allow it to work, but I understand your point.
I can't think of many other spots in Manhattan where they could reopen, (if they ever even plan to).
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I learned so much shopping at Barneys, especially for brands outside the usual Prada/Gucci/Chanel. Brands from emerging market countries or lesser known designers were often carried by Barneys. The kind of brands you'd find only at Yoox online or European flagship dept stores.
I learned of brands like Ann Demeulemeester, Dries Van Noten, Jil Sander/Helmut Lang (both pre Prada acquisition/destruction) through my shopping at Barneys. Back when the internet wasn't what it is now.
It was a pleasure even though the 60th st layout was a mess. You grew to love it. The Doonan designed windows come the holidays. It was an experience and a true loss for the NYC retail landscape. Then going to the Barneys Co-Op on 5 (I think) for more casual/streetwear. And who could forget the Barneys Warehouse sales.
That whole "B" shopping experience in such a small area (Barneys/Bloomingdales/Bergdorfs) was an amazing
high-end shoppping experience, perhaps unrivaled by none at least here in America.
Barneys is now at Saks in some form but I have never visited the Saks flagship to see it.
Agreed. Barney's was a fashion staple beyond the usual big names. I'm still sad about the closing every time I'm in that area.
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Bloomingdales struggles outside of NYC metro/Southern/Northern Cali/Southern Florida but is very strong there. Bloomies just opened a store at the Valley Fair mall in San Jose, has its West Coast flagship in downtown SF and a store at the Stanford mall.
Bloomingdale's is unique in that they offer a high-end home shopping experience, which Saks/Neimans/Nordstrom do not. A true service department store in the legacy sense.
They also have a very long and strong presence in the Philadelphia region.
And agree for the home shopping experience. The 59th Street store has 2.5 floors dedicated to high-end homeware, you don't see that at any other high-end department store.
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