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Originally Posted by NOLA101
That's absolutely hilarious. According to you people wouldn't live in condos, eat at restaurants or watch other sports, if a sports stadium weren't built.
I think your post is Exhibit A for delusional stadia mania.
How do you explain cities like Paris, NYC, London, Rome, you know, the most vibrant city centers on earth? No stadia anywhere.
Then look at Detroit, Houston, Dallas, Phoenix, Indianapolis, Cleveland, Cincy, Atlanta, etc. All these downtowns comparatively suck, and all are filled with multiple stadia. If only Paris could match the glories of Minute Maid Ballpark or Petco Park! They should tear down the Eiffel Tower and replace with "Le Ballpark, brought to you by Scoop Away Kitty Litter" Maybe replace the Notre Dame with an ESPN Zone or Applebees. Then Paris would be a real city!
Funny you completely glossed over the facts I stated regarding the real "exhibit A" 7th st/Gallery Place. My example was explaining what Verizon Center did for downtown DC and just come up with your own city examples that are not DC and do nothing to prove my point wrong. Tear down the Eiffel Tower? Where are you going with this?
You're right. It's hilarous actually. Someone who claims to be from Chicago, and then claims that Wrigleyville, of all places, is the most desirable place in town, and has the most vibrant retail in town.
Wrigleyville is the absolutely worst part of Lakeview, which is not close to the most desirable or vibrant part of Chicago. The fact that claimed Chicagoans would debate this is downright hilarious, and shows that C-D homers will never, ever give up the fight, no matter how perposterous. It must be the suburban-style McDonalds next to Wrigley that gives the area its urban flair. Or maybe it's the run-down bro bars and suburban dad drinking joints.
I'm sure the next argument will be that the sea of parking lots/ghetto around United Center makes up the hottest neighborhod on the planet, and the freeway/parking lot moonscape around US Cellular field is much more vibrant than Tokyo.
You know, it's the damnedest thing -- I really can see how one would predict my next argument would be that "the sea of parking lots/ghetto around United Center makes up the hottest neighborhod [sic] on the planet, and the freeway/parking lot moonscape around US Cellular field is much more vibrant than Tokyo" because I was just about to make that very argument. But then I remembered that I had already made a clear-cut distinction between the efficacy of more recent urban-oriented stadium developments and -- to quote myself directly -- "the 'stadium in the middle of nowhere surrounded by fields of asphalt' era of the 60s through the 90s" to positively affect the vitality of the surrounding area. And then I also remembered that both the Cell and the UC are 90s-era stadium developments that not only fit the latter criteria but also -- to quote myself again -- "gave no thought to how they could interact with the urban fabric but were part of a conscious effort to isolate themselves from the fabric of the city they inhabit."
I guess if I really tried, I could see how someone of exceptionally limited intellectual capacity would be sure I'd soon argue in favor of a specific stadium development model that I had already argued against.
I was also prepared to concede that "Wrigleyville is the absolutely worst part of Lakeview" and "not close to the most desirable" part of Chicago until I remembered this data chart that puts Wrigleyville near the 95th percentile for median rents in the city, above any other section of Lakeview.
And finally, I was willing to accept that the "suburban-style McDonald's next to Wrigley [which recently sold for $20,000,000 because Wrigleyville is, you know, so undesirable n' stuff] . . . gives the area its urban flair" and that it's "not close to the most vibrant part of Chicago" until I saw this video.
And to think we were so close to seeing eye-to-eye... but alas we'll have to agree to disagree because in the final analysis I just can't come to terms with your grating overuse of the word "hilarious" -- not to mention the fact that you're just hilariously argumentative and hilariously wrong.
But didn't Rome have the very first downtown stadium - the Coliseum?
Yes, and?
Is your argument now that billionaires should get stadium subsidies because Rome slaughtered slaves in the coliseum 2,000 years ago? Is that the newest desperate argument from the stadium advocates?
Is your argument now that billionaires should get stadium subsidies because Rome slaughtered slaves in the coliseum 2,000 years ago? Is that the newest desperate argument from the stadium advocates?
Just questioning the reference to Rome not having a stadium when it actually had one of, if not the, first.
Funny you completely glossed over the facts I stated regarding the real "exhibit A" 7th st/Gallery Place. My example was explaining what Verizon Center did for downtown DC and just come up with your own city examples that are not DC and do nothing to prove my point wrong. Tear down the Eiffel Tower? Where are you going with this?
Verizon Center did nothing for downtown DC. The idea that the federal govt. wouldn't be in DC, or that people wouldn't eat food in restaurants, or that people wouldn't stay in hotels, if it wasn't for a basketball arena being relocated from one part of town, to the other, is absurd.
Verizon Center is a pretty good project, though, because 1. Taxpayers didn't pay for it and 2. It's very transit oriented. But you would have to be crazy to attribute local vibrancy to a basketball arena. it doesn't do anything.
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Originally Posted by NOLA101
Verizon Center did nothing for downtown DC. The idea that the federal govt. wouldn't be in DC, or that people wouldn't eat food in restaurants, or that people wouldn't stay in hotels, if it wasn't for a basketball arena being relocated from one part of town, to the other, is absurd.
Verizon Center is a pretty good project, though, because 1. Taxpayers didn't pay for it and 2. It's very transit oriented. But you would have to be crazy to attribute local vibrancy to a basketball arena. it doesn't do anything.
Verizon Center did nothing for downtown?? And with that, i cease this discussion.
I was also prepared to concede that "Wrigleyville is the absolutely worst part of Lakeview" and "not close to the most desirable" part of Chicago until I remembered this data chart that puts Wrigleyville near the 95th percentile for median rents in the city, above any other section of Lakeview.
And finally, I was willing to accept that the "suburban-style McDonald's next to Wrigley [which recently sold for $20,000,000 because Wrigleyville is, you know, so undesirable n' stuff] . . . gives the area its urban flair" and that it's "not close to the most vibrant part of Chicago" until I saw this video.
As someone who is on his third apartment in Lakeview, I can confirm that you can typically find a cheaper apartment in and around Boystown or by the lakefront/Lakeview East depending on what you're looking for.
My guess is that it's simply too far from the L for some people, and the express buses are backed up during the morning commute. I'm also sure some of the bros can't handle the thought of having to walkthrough Boystown to get to their beloved Sluggers.
Other than that, the Wrigley bars are full of people every weekend, and so are the nearby late night food spots. That includes the Taco Bell and McDonald's.
Verizon Center did nothing for downtown?? And with that, i cease this discussion.
Thank you. Finally, rational discourse prevails.
It's nice for a C-D thread to finally end on a rational note. Hopefully no more people arguing that people won't eat food or take shelter or spend money if there isn't a basketball arena in proximity.
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